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  • I didn't say they were getting more out of a hot horse.

    I said maybe the horse didn't like its job and needed to do something else.

    You'd think all these top riders would be able to get their hands on nicer horses than rogues.

    Originally posted by nhwr
    To me a hot horse is sensative and prone to be over stimulated easily. But who says hot=difficult neccessarily?

    And yes sm it is interesting how a good rider can get more out of a hot horse. Salinero was basically labelled as a rogue before Anky got him
    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
    -Rudyard Kipling

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    • Originally posted by nhwr
      And yes sm it is interesting how a good rider can get more out of a hot horse. Salinero was basically labelled as a rogue before Anky got him
      if i remember correctly, I read that Salinero has been in AVGs barn since he was a yougn horse. he was bought after he placed at the Bundeschampionships (sp) as a jumper prospect for one of AVG/SJs clients. once AVG/SJ got a look at him working they decided to keep him themselves..... there was not one word mentioned about him being a 'rogue"

      I will seee if i can find this interview..... I *think* it was here on the COTH....

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      • Originally posted by belambi
        belambi - i am curious what your point was in posting this pic??

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        • MBM, I recall reading the same thing you did about Salinero. He was a top young horse. Anky didn't like him, not because he was a rogue, but because he was boring. Her own stable girl said that he is very quiet in the stables, and very laid back, if I recall the interview correctly. Ergo, he must be ridden to be "hot". Elsewise, why would he be so explosive and require such harsh riding?

          I read on one of the bulletin boards one time, someone once noted that they had never heard of AvG ever riding a mare to any level of competition. At the time, nobody really responded to it. Some might not have understood the significance of the statement. I wonder if the "straightjacket" training style would get beyond the first week with a mare. They are the ultimate "fairness nazis" and will absolutely rebel against person who tries to bully them, unlike most geldings, and even many stallions.

          Because if rollkur is not abuse, it's certainly bullying the horse into submission.

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          • SGray: Maybe they should be ridden in a snaffle although I don't think it would bring the refinement that the double allows.
            I just think that it is not good to blacklist a method of training because some people do it poorly.

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            • something weird going on on this bb..I posted that link on another thread..basically pointing out that even those who are referred to as super classical riders..have moments of dachsundness,,
              dont know how it ended up here?
              www.australiancolouredperformancehorses.com.au

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              • Originally posted by belambi
                something weird going on on this bb..I posted that link on another thread..basically pointing out that even those who are referred to as super classical riders..have moments of dachsundness,,
                dont know how it ended up here?
                I didn't see where you said that, I seriously thought he looked like one! Great minds think alike

                http://www.shawlein.com/The_Standard...0thumbnail.JPG
                apparantly with dachsund moments in a trot you can still have suspension
                Last edited by Jeepers; Jun. 19, 2006, 11:35 PM.

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                • Originally posted by beejoux
                  MBM, I recall reading the same thing you did about Salinero. He was a top young horse. Anky didn't like him, not because he was a rogue, but because he was boring. Her own stable girl said that he is very quiet in the stables, and very laid back, if I recall the interview correctly. Ergo, he must be ridden to be "hot". Elsewise, why would he be so explosive and require such harsh riding?

                  I read on one of the bulletin boards one time, someone once noted that they had never heard of AvG ever riding a mare to any level of competition. At the time, nobody really responded to it. Some might not have understood the significance of the statement. I wonder if the "straightjacket" training style would get beyond the first week with a mare. They are the ultimate "fairness nazis" and will absolutely rebel against person who tries to bully them, unlike most geldings, and even many stallions.

                  Because if rollkur is not abuse, it's certainly bullying the horse into submission.
                  You found out that you were on everybody's ignore-list, and decided to create an alter

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                  • Salinero's reputation

                    Originally posted by nhwr
                    And yes sm it is interesting how a good rider can get more out of a hot horse. Salinero was basically labelled as a rogue before Anky got him
                    But then we had posters from Germany, Kareen in fact: vet/trainer/breeder who posted that Salinero did the young horse championships and was not noted for having problems. That reputation as a rogue was acquired once he was bought by an American and ended up with Anky who thought he was just too big and fat to want to ride.

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                    • Originally posted by Horsedances
                      You found out that you were on everybody's ignore-list, and decided to create an alter
                      Theo, aren't you the one that used to have the signature quote about a lie traveling twice around the world before the truth gets his shoes on? Now you are the one spreading rumors and lies, but then again, that's what you do, isn't it? You throw out little lies here and rumors there, and watch the train wrecks happen... :roll: Why don't you try truth once in a while?

                      Originally posted by Horsedances
                      Watching all these sophisticated and well behaving horses is like watching the gras grow.
                      This is a very sad statement. If watching Dressage is like watching grass grow, then the spectators should be watching jumping or something. Why do we have to pervert Dressage to make it more exciting for the spectators?

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                      • Originally posted by beejoux
                        MBM, I recall reading the same thing you did about Salinero. He was a top young horse. Anky didn't like him, not because he was a rogue, but because he was boring. Her own stable girl said that he is very quiet in the stables, and very laid back, if I recall the interview correctly. Ergo, he must be ridden to be "hot". Elsewise, why would he be so explosive and require such harsh riding?

                        I read on one of the bulletin boards one time, someone once noted that they had never heard of AvG ever riding a mare to any level of competition. At the time, nobody really responded to it. Some might not have understood the significance of the statement. I wonder if the "straightjacket" training style would get beyond the first week with a mare. They are the ultimate "fairness nazis" and will absolutely rebel against person who tries to bully them, unlike most geldings, and even many stallions.

                        Because if rollkur is not abuse, it's certainly bullying the horse into submission.
                        EEK I think I'm gonna thow up!

                        But feeding grain till it comes out of their ears will warm them up, too!

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                        • You don't crank and spank a hot horse in warm-up, doing everything possible to build tension. You can spend 40 minutes pushing all the buttons to get a mild horse "hot" though. Or a horse trained to the point of being a robot "hot." I've seen Sal's expression enough, he's been bullied IMHO. Yes, this makes perfect sense:

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                          post 144:"MBM, I recall reading the same thing you did about Salinero. He was a top young horse. Anky didn't like him, not because he was a rogue, but because he was boring. Her own stable girl said that he is very quiet in the stables, and very laid back, if I recall the interview correctly. Ergo, he must be ridden to be "hot". Elsewise, why would he be so explosive and require such harsh riding?

                          I read on one of the bulletin boards one time, someone once noted that they had never heard of AvG ever riding a mare to any level of competition. At the time, nobody really responded to it. Some might not have understood the significance of the statement. I wonder if the "straightjacket" training style would get beyond the first week with a mare. They are the ultimate "fairness nazis" and will absolutely rebel against person who tries to bully them, unlike most geldings, and even many stallions.

                          Because if rollkur is not abuse, it's certainly bullying the horse into submission."

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                          Last edited by sm; Jun. 20, 2006, 08:17 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by mbm
                            if i remember correctly, I read that Salinero has been in AVGs barn since he was a yougn horse. he was bought after he placed at the Bundeschampionships (sp) as a jumper prospect for one of AVG/SJs clients. once AVG/SJ got a look at him working they decided to keep him themselves..... there was not one word mentioned about him being a 'rogue"

                            I will seee if i can find this interview..... I *think* it was here on the COTH....
                            That would be interesting. I have read that he has been trained by both Holger Schulze and Holga Finken, and I wonder if they would call him a rogue? Or did he become a bit spoiled by some buyer who just bought too much horse for their own good, like a lot of character strong horses naturally would be too, in the same situation? He seemed to go through the finals of the 5-yo championships with Holger Schulze just fine. Anyone know Schulze or Finken and can ask?

                            Theresa
                            "Tradition ist nicht Asche bewahren, sondern die Weitergabe des Feuers"
                            "Tradition är inte att spara askan, utan att föra elden vidare"

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                            • Whats Dachundness???

                              You mean like the dog??? I missed something!

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