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  • #41
    Originally posted by siegi b.
    Noir - let me answer your question...

    Go back and read ALL the responses to this thread... and then realize that what to some people is gorgeous, is totally wrong to others. That alone should tell you something... namely, that the vast majority of posters doesn't have a clue. But they still sit around and shake their collective fingers at big, bad rollkur Anky. It's really quite laughable.
    So because those who "like" what they see disagree with those who don't like what they see, that is see specific problems, which they also explain, that means that those who dislike it must be ignorant? Absolutely not those who like it, even if they don't specifically say anything other than that they like it. Where is your logic?

    And what "collective finger"? I team up with noone. I only express what I, as in myself, think is lacking in the performance, and also added what I think makes it very impressive.

    I think you are so bent on seeing it as a conspiracy, a personal vendetta if you like, that you think that all people who don't like all parts of it must have teamed up. Silly, really.

    T
    "Tradition ist nicht Asche bewahren, sondern die Weitergabe des Feuers"
    "Tradition är inte att spara askan, utan att föra elden vidare"

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    • #42
      Watch out the money-sharks are trying to get you !

      http://praha.planetsg.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=50477

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      • #43
        There is a difference in the people who nitpick every little thing and seem quite bitter and the people truly pointing out the weaker points of the ride... It isn't perfect, I think we can all agree to that.

        I know that the walk can deteriorate in FEI level horses, or more common, just that some horses have one sucky gait while the all of others can be good. Anyway, it is still a decent ride.
        Last edited by Jeepers; Jun. 17, 2006, 12:34 PM.

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        • #44
          Agreed - nothing is ever perfect anyway. I try to be objective about what I see as much as I can simply for the reason that I want to be honest with/to myself. If I do not do this, I might end up with wrong conclusions and why would I want to lie to myself ???!?

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          • #45
            The biggest problem I continue to see with this pair is that all the movement and flash is up front, with nothing coming from behind. That, to me, shows a SEVERE lack of basics. A horse at that level should have the utmost engagement behind, and this one is totally lacking it. Come on, how could any judge give those extensions any more than, say, a 4. He covers no ground and just flings his front legs out in front of him. He was totally out of balance in the piaffe as well; a horse should not be swaying from side to side in the piaffe. I have to agree with others who have said it's starting to look more and more like glorified saddle-seat.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Jeepers
              There is a difference in the people who nitpick every little thing and seem quite bitter and the people truly pointing out the weaker points of the ride.
              And who's going to decide what is "nitpicking" and what is "pointing out" and who "seems bitter" and who doesn't? If it's the same descriptions and arguments, I mean? Is it ones track reckord? If one has been critical of the training method in too many posts, one automatically lands in the "ignorant bitter nitpicker" category? Especially ignorant applies? Who's to say? Those who accuse of conspiracy?

              Theresa
              "Tradition ist nicht Asche bewahren, sondern die Weitergabe des Feuers"
              "Tradition är inte att spara askan, utan att föra elden vidare"

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              • #47
                Originally posted by DressageGuy
                The biggest problem I continue to see with this pair is that all the movement and flash is up front, with nothing coming from behind.
                I honestly think he has "something coming from behind", but unfortunately not the right stuff. He IS active behind, but not active in a "stepping under, compressing the joints, taking the power through the round back" sort of way. More in a "lift the legs, lift the legs". I think a lot of onlookers interpret the moving legs, moving to the rhythm of the music as the epitome of a good piaffe/passage. I actually don't. I agree that it really looks a tad gaited.

                T
                "Tradition ist nicht Asche bewahren, sondern die Weitergabe des Feuers"
                "Tradition är inte att spara askan, utan att föra elden vidare"

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                • #48
                  If I really scrutenize the video, here is what I also see:

                  - The horse is not imbalanced in the piaffe - if he were he'd take some bad steps in beteen to catch himself. Especially the piaffe turrn to to the right required him to be belanced or he would not be ablet to execute the movement.
                  -He has the tendency to lift the right knee higher than the left and also seems to be loser in the right shoulder than the left. I agree that the extensions look a bit tight.
                  - the left lead canter seems to be his harder side which is probably related to his natural crookedness that every horse has. According to Klimke, even highly trained Grand Prix horse retain some of this challenge. You can see in the tempis that he will wring the tail when he's asked for the left lead, but not when asked for the right lead, and it is consistent.

                  BTW, my youngest cat agrees with this too, as she watched the ride with great interest from my office desk....

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Noir
                    And who's going to decide what is "nitpicking" and what is "pointing out" and who "seems bitter" and who doesn't? If it's the same descriptions and arguments, I mean? Is it ones track reckord? If one has been critical of the training method in too many posts, one automatically lands in the "ignorant bitter nitpicker" category? Especially ignorant applies? Who's to say? Those who accuse of conspiracy?

                    Theresa
                    Basic reading skills are what it takes to tell what is ripping apart someone needlessly or whether it's an honest judgement.

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                    • #50
                      Noir - maybe there is a bit of a language barrier here?

                      I said that what some posters like about the ride, others don't like at all. I was NOT saying that all the negative comments came from RK haters, I was merely trying to point out that the readers in general had widely different views and opinions on Anky's ride. Not just a slight difference in opinions mind you, but sometimes direct opposites. Which, in turn, leads me to believe that maybe we're not dealing with a very dressage-educated audience??? Which, in turn, leads me to believe that this whole discussion is somewhat superfluous?
                      Siegi Belz
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                      • #51
                        The biggest problem I continue to see with this pair is that all the movement and flash is up front, with nothing coming from behind. That, to me, shows a SEVERE lack of basics.
                        Nothing? What absolutely Nothing? There you are wrong. Yes it could be better but show me horse that couldn't. It has more extravagance in front due to mother nature not because is has no hindleg.

                        He covers no ground and just flings his front legs out in front of him.
                        I repeat he has more extravagance in front due to mother nature. He does cover ground, the rules state the horse should cover as much ground as possible. There is more to juding extended trot than measuring the overtrack - you could teach your grandmother to do that in 5 seconds.

                        He was totally out of balance in the piaffe as well;
                        what TOTALLY? no he wasn't but he did lose balance sometimes particularly when he got nervous and over keen.

                        Judging is about being able to evaluate what you see and deliver an educated critique. Even when you don't like someone's riding style or maybe a particular breed you have to be fair minded.
                        I saw that test in real life it was the right result and the right score on the day. I know several of the judges and they know their job inside out and backwards. Yes you can always debate the details and there will be differences of opinion but in dressage 10 means excellent it has never meant perfect and it never will.

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                        • #52
                          LOL, let's try to make *everyone* happy on this forum (possible?) by posting videos of a perfect mix of classical and competition dressage performed on a barefoot mustang doing everything perfectly and correct and accurate without it's face never leaving the verticle by an unknown rider who's fabulous enough for wolrd class competition but normally refuses to compete with in uppity events and has the horse trained in the NH style so that all these movement are completely natural.
                          The top competitors do it wrong, the backyard riders do it wrong, all the top trainers do it wrong, everyone who's read books on it does it wrong, everyone who posts on BB's does it wrong. Is it at all possible to ever do dressage correctly? Not according to this forum.
                          You jump in the saddle,
                          Hold onto the bridle!
                          Jump in the line!
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                          • #53
                            Ok after my fifth watching/viewing, I am impressed by the height he gets the passage piaffe tours also in the cheoreography use of the music ; the changes in music were matched well with the the changes in movement. Of course the halts wre not therere er , but,overall the frestyle was quite pleasing, I have sent it on to my horse loving but, non dressage friends. Imay dislike rollkurkbut, still enjoyedwatching. In addition I was imoressed by his "reach " inthe zigzags, what an athlete!. Can you imagine himover a fence?
                            breeder of Mercury!

                            remember to enjoy the moment, and take a moment to enjoy and give God the glory for these wonderful horses in our lives.BECAUSE: LIFE is What Happens While Making Other Plans

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                            • #54
                              What was the language of the commentary?
                              breeder of Mercury!

                              remember to enjoy the moment, and take a moment to enjoy and give God the glory for these wonderful horses in our lives.BECAUSE: LIFE is What Happens While Making Other Plans

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                              • #55
                                n, my youngest cat agrees with this too, as she watched the ride with great interest from my office desk.... and, how is heris lateral work? even, or isided? also?
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                                remember to enjoy the moment, and take a moment to enjoy and give God the glory for these wonderful horses in our lives.BECAUSE: LIFE is What Happens While Making Other Plans

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                                • #56
                                  Misty OL, let's try to make *everyone* happy on this forum (possible?) by posting videos of a perfect mix of classical and competition dressage performed on a barefoot mustang doing everything perfectly and correct and accurate without it's face never leaving the verticle by an unknown rider who's fabulous enough for wolrd class competition but normally refuses to compete with in uppity events and has the horse trained in the NH style so that all these movement are completely natural. are you telling us that the Parelis didthe wpotld Cup?,





                                  THis I wantto see! Did theParellis do thete world Cup? ?
                                  breeder of Mercury!

                                  remember to enjoy the moment, and take a moment to enjoy and give God the glory for these wonderful horses in our lives.BECAUSE: LIFE is What Happens While Making Other Plans

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by Carol Ames
                                    n, my youngest cat agrees with this too, as she watched the ride with great interest from my office desk.... and, how is heris lateral work? even, or isided? also?
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                                    She just thought the horse looked very pretty - she seemed to be impressed

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                                    • #58
                                      Originally posted by siegi b.
                                      Noir - maybe there is a bit of a language barrier here?
                                      Quite possibly so, but you led the "ignorance" descriptions in the way of those who "still sit around and shake their collective fingers at big, bad rollkur Anky" and not a hint at anyone else. The rest of the post was a reply to Jeepers

                                      I also think that there might be a horsey-language barrier, here. Someone say's "out of balance". Someone else says "then the horse would stumble/trip". But out of balance can mean everything from "toppling over" to "most of the weight on the forehand". Whic is it?

                                      T
                                      "Tradition ist nicht Asche bewahren, sondern die Weitergabe des Feuers"
                                      "Tradition är inte att spara askan, utan att föra elden vidare"

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                                      • #59
                                        The commentary was in Dutch, if I am not mistaken.

                                        My Dutch? Not good. They tell me I speak like a German.
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                                        Mares are like neutrons. If there are too many in an area, you approach critical mass. And then there are explosions. Loud ones.

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                                        • #60
                                          Yes, It sounded Dutch to me as well - was definitely not German

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