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Conformation - What do you think of this horse?

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    #21
    Wow, thanks slc for that evaluation! I appreciate it. Having been riding for 26 years, I have trained two youngsters and then my older STB when she was 15, evented through Novice and shown First level. I feel pretty confident in my abilities and I also have a great instructor. But you are correct to be cautionary since you don't know me.

    You are right dbadaro. I needed to hear your story! I have been involved with STBs for many years. Sorry to hear about your horse.

    The worst part in this is that the filly is in NJ and I am in Maine. I have two friends in NJ who are evaluating her for me.....including the one who is holding her/is her groom. So, this is so much more risky!!!!!

    They are offering her to me because she would not stop cantering (breaking) on the track during training. She just is not fast enough as well. If they can't make the 3 year old stakes, most trainers rather get rid of them. In NJ they don't really look to race in cheap races or claimers. They want stakes caliber horses. Many many many expensive horses get retired at this age down there. And simply given away. My friend's horse was bought as a yearling for $50,000 and given away as a 3 year old!!!
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    • #22
      That is one of the most picturesque barns I have ever seen. If the filly moves out, can I move in?

      She looked sound on the pavement, which is always a great sign. See how the canter looks. If there's a lot of disuniting in the canter, I might pass. If the canter is balanced, I would take her.

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        #23
        Originally posted by narcisco View Post
        That is one of the most picturesque barns I have ever seen. If the filly moves out, can I move in?
        LOL! It is a great place, huh? It is Showplace Farms in NJ, one of the top stables in the state. It is a multi-million dollar facility. The horses are treated better than most humans!
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        • #24
          Originally posted by Dreamspark View Post
          Wow, thanks slc for that evaluation! I appreciate it. Having been riding for 26 years, I have trained two youngsters and then my older STB when she was 15, evented through Novice and shown First level. I feel pretty confident in my abilities and I also have a great instructor. But you are correct to be cautionary since you don't know me.

          You are right dbadaro. I needed to hear your story! I have been involved with STBs for many years. Sorry to hear about your horse.

          The worst part in this is that the filly is in NJ and I am in Maine. I have two friends in NJ who are evaluating her for me.....including the one who is holding her/is her groom. So, this is so much more risky!!!!!

          They are offering her to me because she would not stop cantering (breaking) on the track during training. She just is not fast enough as well. If they can't make the 3 year old stakes, most trainers rather get rid of them. In NJ they don't really look to race in cheap races or claimers. They want stakes caliber horses. Many many many expensive horses get retired at this age down there. And simply given away. My friend's horse was bought as a yearling for $50,000 and given away as a 3 year old!!!
          i would take another standardbred in a heartbeat! i've been crying for three weeks now since i have been consulting with my vets. it's heartbreaking knowing that even though he went through a very well known standardbred rescue in ohio, he was adopted out and noone has mentioned his injuries. i don't regret buyiing him one bit, but i do regret the fact that i have worked him with no signs of injury until he bucked me off a few weeks ago. i then knew something was not right.

          i love meeting/talking to other standardbred owners! please feel free to pm me anytime!
          be kind to your horses mouth!

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            #25
            PM sent dbadaro!
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Dreamspark View Post
              Thanks everyone! The dip in her withers is from the fact that she has always been worked with an overcheck....being a STB. That will go away with proper training, as it did on my own mare. Legs are clean, flexions are normal. Vet said her knees are still open.

              The free thing is unimportant to me. That is simply because she is being offered to me since the owners know me, so it is not like I am looking for a free horse. Actually not looking for a horse at all! I completely understand the STB's limitations. My aspirations are truly First Level, with any horse, seeing as I am an AA and I just love puttering around. I don't think I have the time or commitment to go higher than that. I show for the fun of it. LOL!

              Well, I am going to sleep on it. Any other comments, please add them!
              I think you have a nice little mare there. She is not perfect, but I think you will be surprised. I've always maintained the horse is limited by the rider, and I think this mare will take you as far as you are capable of going if you have knowledgeble instruction.

              I take most conformation "rules" I learned with a grain of salt as well -- dealing with a breed that defies most of the rules by being able to do things they are not suppose to do -- I will watch the horse move and then decide.

              My Net connection is not very fast, so I couldn't really watch the vid, but the rhythm of her trot sounded just fine.

              She is young, with clean flexions and clean legs....if her MIND is good and she's a trier, I'm thinking you guy will do just fine.

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              • #27
                I haven't read all the replies, but:

                1) I surely would not judge her movement from the video of her trotting in hand. An obedient horse will adjust their speed (and thus, stride) to the handler. The handler was taking itty-bitty steps, thus did the horse. Nice to see that kind of obedience.. and shortening her stride to adapt the the handler. That's a big plus right there in my book.

                2) She's only 3 so she could change alot. My 2 cents worth...
                a) straight shoulder is seldom a problem if a horse has a very free very free elbow (and it is quite straight).
                b) appearing straight behind is also not always a fault unless it affects movement. Often the hip/loin connection compensates for this with no long term use/wear and tear.
                3) croup high right now? Quite normal for a 3 yr old. Just look at her head -- it's too big for her body and her body will/should grow into it. A nice neck set can sometimes compensate for a croup that's a titch to "high" at maturity.
                4) she looks a bit "light" behind, but again many 3 yr olds do. I like her neck set, but would like to see more length...but until the horse is mature the neck can be a telescope (long and short during growth) and make you crazy trying to determine the eventual length.
                5) I see nothing wrong with joint fluid/tendons, though there are not closeups.

                I think this horse would be better assessed working freely in an arena to see her true way of going unencumbered by a human trying to show her in hand who has no training doing so. Turn her over to Bruce Griffin or Bob Orton in hand and you'd get a really good picture of the this horse's capability regarding "form and function".

                There is nothing I see in this horse for low/mid level dressage that would scare me away at this age of assessment.
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                • #28
                  Yes this mare is straight in the shoulder, but she also has a very high point of shoulder which i like, and has a steeply angled humerus (bone from the point of shoulder to the elbow), which goes some way to compensate for the straight shoulder
                  OFten good jumpers have this steeply angles humerus and high point of shoulder.
                  She also has very low stifles, both these points indicate that she could be quite alright over the jumps

                  I actually think her wither is higher than her croup, even though she is a bit long over the loin, but then i dont mind that in mares.
                  Even though her hindquarter is not an ideal shape, her lumbo sacral joint is correctly positioned over the hip bones, so her back is probably alot stronger than it looks

                  She might be worth a go for jumping,and low level dressage work, but as has been said here, probably not a world beater
                  She does have a lovely neck and expression, and a wither that goes some way down her back so you wont be sitting too far over the shoulder
                  Good luck

                  Paulamc

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by sid View Post
                    I think this horse would be better assessed working freely in an arena to see her true way of going unencumbered by a human trying to show her in hand who has no training doing so.
                    Definitely my next step! Thanks! And funny thing.....her groom (my friend Rob) shows his STB in-hand.....but they are western so he is used to doing the "tiny little jog" thing.
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                    • #30
                      Weak loin.
                      ... _. ._ .._. .._

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                      • #31
                        Free.

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                        • #32
                          I absolutely adore her but I am partial to Standardbreds! I also see a 3 year old that is still growing. She reminds me of my 4 year old that I just drover to NJ to pick up last month.

                          http://pets.webshots.com/photo/27200...MUn?vhost=pets

                          http://pets.webshots.com/photo/25877...VEO?vhost=pets

                          The pictures don't do him justice as I had someone who has no idea about taking confirmation pictures taking them. He was a $45,000 yearling and was given to me last month. I don't think he had ever raced but I don't know that for sure. I am curious about her breeding? My guy will not set the world on fire but he will make a nice low/intermediate level eventer and foxhunter. I found out be accident that he is really wonderful with his knees when he jumps (ditch that had a little of water in the bottom was going to eat him). I say take her. If you won't let me know I will make another northern treck and pick her up. I know where Showplace is.
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                          Sophie 11 yo Iberian Warmblood mare
                          Seadog Man 11 yo STB gelding
                          Our New Jet 7 yo STB Gelding

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                          • Original Poster

                            #33
                            Here is her info at Pathways:

                            http://pathway.ustrotting.com/search...orse_id=913425 She is a Revenue S baby and is a trotter.

                            I do think I will take her. Just have to arrange shipping!

                            Middy - Love the clique! Standardbreds with Saddles! And your boy is very nice looking!
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                              #34
                              So, now Revenue Stream needs a nickname. They call her Big Mare. Not gonna work with me. Ideas??

                              A few more photos:



                              (First time being ridden....)
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                              • #35
                                What a lovely girl! Gorgeous color, too

                                If she was a gelding I'd suggest "cash." How about River?

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                                • #36
                                  You rode a horse for the first time ever on pavement? You are crazy!

                                  But that being said, I think she is cute, and probably will do just fine at the lower levels. You may be surprised by what she can do. Good for you for taking her home!

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                                  • #37
                                    "You rode a horse first time on pavement"

                                    At some barns, they always sit on horses the first time on pavement, though usually in a barn aisle, not in the open. They say the horses won't act up. No I'm not advocating it.

                                    But this horse doesn't look like she reacted or got upset at all. What a nice temperament.

                                    Middy's horse has a fantastic back end, just super, huge hind quarter.

                                    Name for the mare?

                                    Gratuity (she was free). Stable name Grace.

                                    Look No Further. Barn name, Lucy.

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                                    • #38
                                      slc2 - Thanks! Everyone still tells me he looks more like a quarter cross than a STB ! But in my area STB's as riding horses are looked down upon. I took mine site unseen (well actually I saw some very dark pictures of him standing in a isleway in crossties and just fell for the face. I didn't figure I would keep them but I do a pretty good job of rehoming mine into pleasure homes. This guy is a ATHLETE so he might stay but he is all baby and all boy.

                                      Dreamspark - My TB mare's barn name is Big Mare. It is really a joke because she is only 15.1 (there is definately a story there). I like big mare as a barn name. You will be planning on showing her under her registered name right?

                                      I hope she works out for you and I just love your other mare.
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                                      Seadog Man 11 yo STB gelding
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                                      • #39
                                        I'm new to the world of dressage, but not to standardbreds by a long shot. When I was considering going down the big D path with my TB mare, I took comfort that even if she wasn't a perfect candidate, I'd been told often enough that every horse could benefit from the fundamentals of dressage and most should be able to learn the basic movements. This mare is certainly not grotesquely proportioned nor does she move like a sledgehammer on cement. Far from either, she has fluidity and grace, an extremely cute and plesant head, and her body parts look like they belong to the same horse. I think you'll have fun with her. And at three she's nearly a clean slate with a lifetime of possibility ahead of her. I too have the old broodmare STB turned trail/everything horse (started mine under saddle at 17 after her long racing career and baby factory days). She's in my profile. Just having a fresh mind that's eager to please is a huge bonus in whatever direction you hope to take a horse. Good luck!

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                                          #40
                                          Originally posted by wbhorseusa View Post
                                          You rode a horse for the first time ever on pavement? You are crazy!
                                          LOL! That was not me, but a friend of mine. The filly is in NJ and I am in ME. And remember, she is a STB....the most sane breed I have ever worked with. LOL!

                                          I will show her with her registered name "Revenue Stream". Love the nicknames, keep them coming! Ultimately I better wait until I meet her to decide.
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