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  • #21
    You can find good working horses in any type of bloodline for the Arabians. Remember that many of the lines trace to Egyptian origins, but again, there are four basic types of Eqyptian stock as well. Lady Wentworth imported many horses to Crabbet from the desert. As to the Varian horses mentioned, if memory serves me, those traced back to Polish breeding on the bottom side, as many of Varians original successes boasted those three Polish mares that she imported in the pedigrees. Anglo Arabians used to be one of the dressage horses of choice when dressage was first getting started in this country. Some of the most famous Anglos were bred by Henry Wymallen (sp.) over in England. Adding Arabian blood to a horse adds stamina, which is why so many of the long distance riders use Arabians.

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    • #22
      He is gorgeous and his rider is absolutely lovely. I do prefer the typier Arabians though and not the Americanized version of the breed. But still a beautiful animal for the discipline he is in. Nice to admire from afar but wouldn't make an effort to own one of that style. That's not a dig, just a preference.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Sakura View Post
        Think you should go back and listen again "In Germany we would have horses like him going against the big Warmbloods..." Right around 1:05-1:07 ... and then he mentions ponies . Just can't stand it can you? .
        It's actually not clear whether he's referring to Arabians or just smaller horses that are not warmbloods. Not that it really matters. There's quite a lot of Arab blood in competition horses of all sizes in Europe.

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        • #24
          To clarify ...

          Originally posted by Sakura View Post
          He is lovely... I can watch that video over and over . And I think what I really like the most (besides the absolutely divine horse and rider team) is the validation of Arabians being athletic, and OMG did Conrad Schumacher actually say that Arabians compete successfully against/among the big guys in Germany... I mean you guys heard it too... right?

          Hi,

          Actually he says, " At home in Germany we would have horses like him
          going together with the big warmbloods in one test yah we ..." he does
          not say compete sucessfully or going against... then goes on to talk
          about the German Riding ponies. Listen for yourself that he what he
          says in the video I watched.

          Personally I like that she's riding him in a snaffle.

          Yours in sport,

          Lynn
          Last edited by WhatzUp; Jun. 5, 2009, 10:23 PM. Reason: ~ to add opinion of snaffle
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          • #25
            My boy is Russian/Polish, and the only thing typey about him is his face. The main thing with Arabs is not so much the bloodlines but the hind end. Some of the more halter-bred horses have a very flat croup with a high-set tail, and they use their hind legs way out behind them, and sometimes very wide. My boy, and my boarder's Egyptian mare, naturally travel with the hind end well under them, and they travel straight and even in all 4 legs. They both have nicely rounded butts too. And they are also both very stocky. Definitely not the stereotypical Arabian once you get past the head.

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            • #26
              The first thing i noticed was that the horse is Varian bred on the topside....Sheila breeds horses that are :Athletic, Tractable, Like People, and lovely to look at. Go Sheila! She's always been my hero.
              What would you try if you knew you would not fail?

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              • #27
                Beautiful horse! I would love to have her sitting trot!

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Foxtrot's View Post
                  He was a nice type of Arabian. Can anybody tell me what kind of Arabian - Polish, Egyptian, or what his breed/type characteristics are. He does not have the flagging tail and flat croup or some Arabians.

                  Oldbag - is your on line name a self fulfilling prophecy for negativity??
                  I think you are on to something.

                  Whether you like arabs or not, that is a NICE SMALL HORSE!! What a gorgeous neck and um, no, he wasn't "earthbound"...he was really using himself.

                  But then again, you know Oldbag probably does more clinics/sees more horses than Conrad Schumacher, right If I'm not mistaken you have to be good enough to be INVITED to a Schumacher clinic. He seemed to thoroughly like her horse.

                  I've owned Arabs, TBs. and Warmbloods and I would love to have a little sporty arab like that one.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by stripes View Post
                    Quick Silver Bey is Huckleberry Bey & Raffon on his sires side and Khemosabi/Serafix/Raffon on his dam's side. Mostly Crabbet & domestic breeding.
                    Haha - I thoguht the same thing with "Oldbag" - made me laugh =)
                    I absolutely LOVE the Crabbet arabian. My first adult horse was a 21 year old Crabbet Arabian and OMG, he was just the best. If I had known then, what I know now and had, had the fortuane of buying that little guy in his early years....I think that little guy could have gone far in dressage.

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                    • #30
                      I am not familiar with what is the standard to comment on a horse in a video on the internet, offered as this one is for people to comment on, so bear with me.

                      I think he is a lovely horse and better than many, in so many ways.
                      I would like a little bit less lenght to his proportions and kept waiting to see more collection and so if my impression, that such would be hard for him, was correct.
                      I think it was clear towards the end that yes, he may have a little problem with those movements, as his conformation indicates.
                      It will be interesting to see where he is in another couple of years of training.

                      Some 40 years ago, I was in a dressage and combined event stable, where the trainer was tied in with an arabian breeder, that was aiming for dressage arabians and did get to ride several very nice prospects.
                      They were very fun horses to ride and handle.
                      Here are two pictures, with the trainer on board:

                      http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...g?t=1244311675

                      The pictures doesn't do them justice, we could not get them to stand there well, but my point in posting them is that, even that many years ago, there were two distinct types of arabians, one, the first one, similar to the one in the video and the other one, the younger one, the more "modern" type, with the flatter croup and higher tail set, as someone mentioned.
                      I had not seen that second type in Europe, before coming here, but over many years, most people I have talked to in the USA would call the second type the "true" arabian, the other maybe a mix.

                      To me, the horse in the video seems like a very handsome arabian.

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                      • #31
                        Here is another arabian stallion showing 4th level http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bldwzQAAb5U
                        http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by dalpal View Post
                          I think you are on to something.

                          Whether you like arabs or not, that is a NICE SMALL HORSE!! What a gorgeous neck and um, no, he wasn't "earthbound"...he was really using himself.

                          But then again, you know Oldbag probably does more clinics/sees more horses than Conrad Schumacher, right If I'm not mistaken you have to be good enough to be INVITED to a Schumacher clinic. He seemed to thoroughly like her horse.

                          I've owned Arabs, TBs. and Warmbloods and I would love to have a little sporty arab like that one.
                          Well now, if I'd have thought that folk might think I was an oldbag by having oldbag as username, I would have definitely called myself oldbag.

                          If Conrad Schleezegob really liked Arabs for dressage as much as he implies wouldn't he be encouraging all his potential international pupils to ride them instead of top quality warmbloods?

                          He's earning a LOT of money training diplomatically. But learn to read between the lines if you want the truth.

                          I have nothing against Arabs, some of them move very well and have lovely temperaments. But a good Arab will always be beaten by a good well-ridden warmblood.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by oldbag View Post
                            Well now, if I'd have thought that folk might think I was an oldbag by having oldbag as username, I would have definitely called myself oldbag.

                            If Conrad Schleezegob really liked Arabs for dressage as much as he implies wouldn't he be encouraging all his potential international pupils to ride them instead of top quality warmbloods?

                            He's earning a LOT of money training diplomatically. But learn to read between the lines if you want the truth.

                            I have nothing against Arabs, some of them move very well and have lovely temperaments. But a good Arab will always be beaten by a good well-ridden warmblood.

                            ALWAYS?
                            That's quite a bit of assuming and exceptionally broad. Hmm.
                            I know now, the place that I was trying to reach, was you, right here in front of me

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                            • #34
                              The first thing i noticed was that the horse is Varian bred on the topside....Sheila breeds horses that are :Athletic, Tractable, Like People, and lovely to look at. Go Sheila! She's always been my hero

                              Yes, beautiful horses. We had two varian bred mares , one by Desperado and one by Traditio from a full sister to Bey El Bey. They were FANTASTIC horses for the above mentioned reasons.

                              On the other hand, Arabs do not compete successfully at high level sport in Europe. Sorry, no way jose. In the pony classes, yes, there is alot of ox blood in the GRP's.
                              www.svhanoverians.com

                              "Simple: Breeding,Training, Riding". Wolfram Wittig.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by oldbag View Post
                                Well now, if I'd have thought that folk might think I was an oldbag by having oldbag as username, I would have definitely called myself oldbag.

                                If Conrad Schleezegob really liked Arabs for dressage as much as he implies wouldn't he be encouraging all his potential international pupils to ride them instead of top quality warmbloods?

                                He's earning a LOT of money training diplomatically. But learn to read between the lines if you want the truth.

                                I have nothing against Arabs, some of them move very well and have lovely temperaments. But a good Arab will always be beaten by a good well-ridden warmblood.
                                BAHAHAHAHHAHAHA..another armchair dressage queen, who thinks she/he has it all figured out.

                                The horse is a very nice dressage horse...

                                Oh and PS...his name is SCHUMACHER...not Schleezegob (I'm not familiar with Mr. Schleezegob....perhaps you do know more than him.

                                It always makes me laugh when people feel the need to find negativity in a nice horse.......speaks volumes to me.

                                Some people tend to ALWAYS be negative.

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                                • #36
                                  WOW1

                                  VERY IMPRESSIVE1
                                  breeder of Mercury!

                                  remember to enjoy the moment, and take a moment to enjoy and give God the glory for these wonderful horses in our lives.BECAUSE: LIFE is What Happens While Making Other Plans

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by oldbag View Post
                                    Well now, if I'd have thought that folk might think I was an oldbag by having oldbag as username, I would have definitely called myself oldbag.

                                    If Conrad Schleezegob really liked Arabs for dressage as much as he implies wouldn't he be encouraging all his potential international pupils to ride them instead of top quality warmbloods?

                                    He's earning a LOT of money training diplomatically. But learn to read between the lines if you want the truth.

                                    I have nothing against Arabs, some of them move very well and have lovely temperaments. But a good Arab will always be beaten by a good well-ridden warmblood.
                                    Let me precede my post with an eye roll:

                                    He described German Riding Ponies that are more talented than most warmbloods, probably due to their agility. Actually, what he is saying is that many breeds can perform well at dressage, if they are the right type. I wouldn't exactly call this horse representative of your average Arabian horse, because he's not. He definitely has an above average talent for dressage. Do you actually think Shumacher is standing there lying when he says he really likes the horse, he has a really nice trot, etc. That's ridiculous.

                                    I will finish with an eyeroll as well:

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                                    • #38
                                      Quickie's rider...is me!!

                                      Hello everyone!

                                      Someone clued me in on this little blog about my little Quickie....known as my 'boyfriend' by those in the barn.

                                      We really appreciate all the response on our little man. I have been blessed enough to ride very lovely warmbloods at the National and International levels. I am newer to the arabian breed and Quickie is one of the most sweetest, hard working horses I have had in my training program.

                                      I thank you for all of your input and he is a little hero in my eyes. Conrad has taught me since I was 14 and I am now 26. He truely loves this guy and has told me that the FEI will show him off the most.

                                      After this clinic, he was selected to be the second level horse in the Conrad Schumacher Symposium....in Seattle, Wa. This video will be released to the public in Oct. Conrad said this was the first Arabian to ever be placed in one of his Symposiums and that he would take him home with him if he could! He also reminded the crowd that Arabians were the foundation breed to make all of the top Dressage horses.

                                      Now, this is being written by a warmblood 'former' snob, but now I am breeding him to an imported Dutch mare and cannot wait to see the outcome....the mare won her inspection as a 4 yr. old with high marks!!
                                      Quickie is a wonderful horse...and we are so excited to be a part of his ever growing success! He may be the smallest in my barn, but has the biggest heart.

                                      Watch for us next yr.....we hope to do the Developing Young Horse Championships....which is the National USDF top 12 horses at PSG between the ages of 7 and 9.

                                      Wish us Luck......and Team Quickie says Thank you!!!


                                      Kind Regards,

                                      Lindsey Anderson
                                      www.lindseyandersondressage.com

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Lindseyandersondressage View Post
                                        Hello everyone!

                                        Someone clued me in on this little blog about my little Quickie....known as my 'boyfriend' by those in the barn.

                                        We really appreciate all the response on our little man. I have been blessed enough to ride very lovely warmbloods at the National and International levels. I am newer to the arabian breed and Quickie is one of the most sweetest, hard working horses I have had in my training program.

                                        I thank you for all of your input and he is a little hero in my eyes. Conrad has taught me since I was 14 and I am now 26. He truely loves this guy and has told me that the FEI will show him off the most.

                                        After this clinic, he was selected to be the second level horse in the Conrad Schumacher Symposium....in Seattle, Wa. This video will be released to the public in Oct. Conrad said this was the first Arabian to ever be placed in one of his Symposiums and that he would take him home with him if he could! He also reminded the crowd that Arabians were the foundation breed to make all of the top Dressage horses.

                                        Now, this is being written by a warmblood 'former' snob, but now I am breeding him to an imported Dutch mare and cannot wait to see the outcome....the mare won her inspection as a 4 yr. old with high marks!!
                                        Quickie is a wonderful horse...and we are so excited to be a part of his ever growing success! He may be the smallest in my barn, but has the biggest heart.

                                        Watch for us next yr.....we hope to do the Developing Young Horse Championships....which is the National USDF top 12 horses at PSG between the ages of 7 and 9.

                                        Wish us Luck......and Team Quickie says Thank you!!!


                                        Kind Regards,

                                        Lindsey Anderson
                                        www.lindseyandersondressage.com
                                        Lindsey, I would wish you luck....but I don't think you need it.

                                        Beautiful boy..and I'm jealous that you've gotten so many years with Conrad Schumacher..he is my all time favorite!!!!

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                                        • #40
                                          Lindsey, excellent choice on the cross of your lovely boy on the Dutch mare. I had an Arab/Dutch filly that I purchased because of her FEI potential and movement. Unfortunately, she wanted to jump, and became a really stunning hunter, but the talent was definitely there.

                                          Thank you for sharing your clinic video. It is nice to see a horse and rider with true connection and understanding, and it's all too rare. And it's clear that you and Quickie are headed for great things.

                                          Welcome to COTH.
                                          In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                          A life lived by example, done too soon.
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