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  • Talk to me of your Weltmeyer offspring...

    The title pretty much sums my request up!

    Attitude, gaits, temperament, conformation, trainability, character, personality...the whole kit and kaboodle in terms of feedback would be much appreciated!

    The reason I ask is that I have a delightful character by this stallion out of one of our marelines (that I know and love) and I would like to glean a bit more about the sire's impact on the mare temperament before rebreeding his dam.

    My guy is a very colorful personality, lots of power, nicely put together and as his training is progressing I love him more each ride. Some days he can be Mr. Grumpy Pants until he turns onto the centerline and then the sun comes out and this delightful, cooperative and relaxed creature rises like cream to the surface. He has been to DAD undersaddle and was a bit over the top until he set foot in the Dixon...sort of like an actor having a TT until the camera is on HIM, then the 'star' shines! The best example of why I am so curious is this...

    Yesterday we went through First 3. We've been schooling this test in the small arena off and on for about 3 weeks, so this was our 2nd run through in the large outdoor since the weather was decent. He was a star! So to change things up a bit, my trainer read me through Second 1. Again, no problems, hiccups or issues...and this was the first run through for both of us. So, for kicks, we did Third 1 as a 'see how this goes' experiment with simple changes instead of flying changes. Color me happy - he was super! Again. And FWIW, he will be 5 at the end of April.

    So is this a Weltmeyer inheritance? Or do I give more credit to his mother & her family?
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  • #2
    I have a Weltmeyer mare that I bought as a schoolmaster and I absolutely adore her. She has been the best teacher I could ever ask for, truly. She has a saintly temperment, she puts up with my stuggling to sit her big trot, is soft in the mouth, wonderful ground manners on and off the farm, also a great Mother, I feel very lucky to have her.

    That said, she does have a slow hind leg, and I have to work a bit to get her to come under and use her hind end well. Her Damsire is Burgraaf. I don't know which line to credit with either the wonderful temperment or slow hind leg...

    I also rode a Weltmeyer gelding many years ago that had such a miserable temperment that I almost didn't go look at my mare just because that was her sire. I'm obviously very glad I didn't let my experience with that gelding keep me from getting my mare.

    Congrats on what sounds like a great ride - and a great boy!


    • #3
      The BO has a Weltmeyer/Fabriano/Augstinus xx mare that is a little on the hot side but has very nice movement and a VERY quick hind leg.
      Not an ammie ride but then again she is only 5 and has been a broodmare for the last 2 years. Ill also add a SUPER sweet mare!

      I cant wait until she is more extensivley under saddle!!!
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      • #4

        By BO do you mean Bretina owner?



        • #5
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          • #6
            I had a really superb Weltmeyer gelding, small, compact, naturally very balanced with a great apptitude for the collected work. Oh and the temperament of a saint. If only he had been a mare!
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            • #7
              I have bred two by Weltmeyer. Both are doing very well in beginning dressage careers. They are both out of a very sensitive though willing and athletic Rohdiamant mare who possesses a very quick hindleg and lots of suppleness. I like her cross with Wolkentanz even better, though.

              I also have a Weltbekannt / Rubinstein mare who positively ate up dressage work. With no prodding she was winning consistently Second 3 and 4 as a barely 5 year old.
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              • #8
                I have a Weltmeyer granddaughter. (Sire is Windfall CB.) She is 3 and just started under saddle. Very friendly and sensible. Fast learner. Relaxed, elastic gaits.


                • #9
                  I rode an imported Weltmeyer mare for a couple of years. Stubborn as the day is long - though her owner was totally intimidated by her, so she'd been allowed to get away with a lot before I started working with her. Probably had very lovely gaits at one point, but had been ridden down to what the owner could handle.


                  • #10
                    Well, of course they vary.. so , on the other hand, friend has a weltmeyer mare. Very sweet, very sane, great hind leg, great gaits. Lovely.


                    • #11
                      Interesting comments about the hind leg (both quick/slow). I had stayed away from the bloodlines for many years because early on, I saw almost too much (thrust) out front and no engine coming from behind.

                      That said, I do believe that has changed dramatically over time because Weltmeyer himself was bred to a LOT of different mares and he has so many approved sons out there breeding to different types that now it is really hard to know what came from either the mare or the stallion. I bred one mare that had some Weltmeyer on the dam side and she was a lovely riding horse. From what I have heard, most people cherish their offspring.


                      • #12
                        We have a Weltrubin (Weltmeyer x Rubinstein) filly here that was always a bit of a snot. Ive had her here since birth, sold her to a client, but she is still here. I started her last week and she was actually super easy even for the past lack of submission, we had.......
                        Maybe she is a worakholic and is glad to finally have a job! LOL

                        A good friend of mine imported a Weltmeyer gelding who is a GEM and simple. I have never ridden him, but I watched her a few times and he is just as consistant as Ive seen.
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                        • #13
                          Just have to add I am in love with my friend's Weltmeyer mare.

                          She's perfect and with such a nice personality- sweet , non spooky, but wants to work.


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by patch work farm View Post
                            I do believe that has changed dramatically over time because Weltmeyer himself was bred to a LOT of different mares and he has so many approved sons out there breeding to different types that now it is really hard to know what came from either the mare or the stallion.
                            Exactly. It's really a kind of dumb question to ask about Weltmeyer offspring.


                            • #15
                              It's really a kind of dumb question to ask about Weltmeyer offspring.
                              That was my first reaction to this thread but, to a certain extent, it is hard to deny that Weltmeyer tends to stamp them more than many other stallions.

                              With thousands out there, though, you know they will vary a great deal!


                              • Original Poster

                                Thanks for the insight everyone. It is always interesting to learn more about horses with the same sire. If anyone would care to share the mare side of their horse's pedigree, I'd love to hear that, too!

                                And for those of you who think this is a 'dumb' question...here is the background as to why the OP came about -
                                I've been lucky enough to ride generations of this bloodline (Maternal grand dam, her full brother and their 4 half siblings by a different stallion, the grandsire & his other offspring, as well as this guy's dam & her 2 full siblings...) so there is some history & commonality going back over time with this horse & his ancestors. So, when I come across a trait that is NOT a common one with all of this guy's extended family, I apologize if it is odd to ask if this is a trait that could be common amongst the 1000's of other horses that have this same sire. Of course, every horse has a mother that may or may not have impacted their work ethic, character, attitude, movement and conformation but as this is a section of the BB devoted to dressage horses (and my guy is a dressage horse) it seemed like the right place to inquire about riding horse qualities. My apologies for combining a riding horse question & a bloodline question on this forum.

                                Sacha - if my guy could be made into a mare...wow, I would be so happy. Oh well. Perhaps, we'll breed his dam back at some point.
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                                • #17
                                  Go to Horsemagazine and read the articles on the Big Three and Weltmeyer. Look at the influence of Weltmeyer in the top international horses.

                                  He's not the latest flavour of the month but his offspring/relatives are still out there at the top for a reason. I'm guessing that Weltmeyer has had more offspring/close relatives competing at Olympic level GP than any other sire. just a guess

                                  off the top of my head- Weltall, Warum Nicht, Vincent, Wallstreet, Wie Weltmeyer(almost Olympics), Wansuela Suerte( closely related) , etc..


                                  • #18
                                    just to add, Weltmeyer is a grandson to a horse that many consider the best moving "modern" hanoverian dressage horse- Woehrman. He produced 22 approved stallions. However, many consider this W line to be more the professionals' type horse.
                                    I got this information by talking to the lead rider of the Hanoverian quadrille from Verband, who was riding Weltmeyer's daddy World Cup I and commented on the sensitivity, but also the dominant character of these horses. My own experience with my horse of the line (a Weltmeyer half brother by WCI, not a get) is the same. However, I am looking to breed or buy from the newly imported Wolkentanz II, a Weltmeyer offspring, and the breeder, who is someone I know and trust, assures me the temperament of that stallion is much easier. So much depends on the mare.

                                    Thanks for the reference to the Horse Magazine Big Three, Egon- this quote from the article nicelyt sums up my experience with the W line, (limited as my experience is) :
                                    When Weltmeyer was young, he was a bit difficult to handle, but it was better when he matured. Weltmeyer passes this attitude and the spectacular trot to his offspring. All ‘Weltmeyers’ want to be ridden and they ask for work. People enjoy riding Weltmeyer’s sons and daughters, they are very suitable for ambitious riders.
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