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Anky and Salinero are not coming to Las Vegas **UPDATE** All European horses arrived

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  • Original Poster
    #61
    Originally posted by snoopy
    As I understand it this rule...it is not just anky but two qualifiers with the horse she wants to compete with in WC. Salinero is there for not qualified.
    Another rule is that when you want to qualify for a wildcard you need at least have started once in another country

    Do i have to explain more

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    • #62
      forget this....how are the Netherlands doing in baseball?
      Humans don’t mind duress, in fact they thrive on it. What they mind is not feeling necessary. –Sebastian Junger

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      • #63
        I'd feel the same way if it was Debbie, Steffen, Guenter, etc. As long as the rules are applied fairly to everyone, that's what matters. If Anky legitimately qualifies with Sal or any other horse, she should be free to go if she wants. If she doesn't, she doesn't go. Substitute any name for that previous sentence.
        "Dreams are the touchstone of our characters." Henry David Thoreau
        Touchstone Farm
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        • #64
          Let me see: It cannot be suggested that Anky can be sportsmanlike and show up to the WORLD cup with the horse she qualified on rather than the one she did not qualify on? Eggy,it is somehow strange and petulant that she follow the rules and compete on the horse she qualified on as opposed to the one she did not qualify on? It is not unsportsmanlike that she will only attend a WC if she expects to win but won't bother if there is a chance she might (gasp) place instead? Those who feel as though the sport has not tremendously supported/benefited her personally may wish to examine events and policies a bit more closely. And yes, I would feel the same way about any individual in similar circumstances. There should be a level playing field despite personal fame/wealth/power.

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          • #65
            You mean just like it was just sooooo unfair about Courtney's horse testing positive in HK, oh my, why should she be penalized, bla bla bla? If that had been Anky, most of the people here would have had her on a plate. Certainly not everyone, but the anti-Ankys would have been orgasmic.

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            • #66
              As for the Dutch baseball team, the were eliminated in the second pool, after losing to the US and Venezuela. But they did jolly good to get there.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Coreene View Post
                You mean just like it was just sooooo unfair about Courtney's horse testing positive in HK, oh my, why should she be penalized, bla bla bla? If that had been Anky, most of the people here would have had her on a plate. Certainly not everyone, but the anti-Ankys would have been orgasmic.
                Just so it's clear, I wasn't previously anti-Anky. But as a direct result of the quotes by Anky and Sjef in those articles linked, I've made a character judgment that they both have an inflated sense of entitlement and lack of sportsmanship in insisting that rules they apparently wished to have apply to others should not apply to them. I really don't care what those rules may be. The point is they want to have personal exceptions made because of "who she is" in the sport.

                The argument of "I'm so important to this sport that I deserve to have things the way I want them," is just not a very attractive or admirable basis of persuasion.

                So sometimes, you know, we do make considered judgments based on the actions of a person in the public eye. Time for some new blood, human and horse!
                Ring the bells that still can ring
                Forget your perfect offering
                There is a crack in everything
                That's how the light gets in.

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                • Original Poster
                  #68
                  Originally posted by Coreene View Post
                  As for the Dutch baseball team, the were eliminated in the second pool, after losing to the US and Venezuela. But they did jolly good to get there.

                  Thanks Coreene for the update. It wasn't broadcasted on Dutch TV, even not the victories against the Dominican Republic.

                  Baseball over here is a Mickey Mouse sport

                  But I loved the interview with a hot shot of the MLB, who stated "the Dutch played for the name on the front of their shirts, why we Americans only play for the name on the back of our shirt." Comprende

                  Theo

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                  • Original Poster
                    #69
                    Originally posted by Touchstone Farm View Post
                    I'd feel the same way if it was Debbie, Steffen, Guenter, etc. As long as the rules are applied fairly to everyone, that's what matters. If Anky legitimately qualifies with Sal or any other horse, she should be free to go if she wants. If she doesn't, she doesn't go. Substitute any name for that previous sentence.
                    Didn't you forget the next line in your comment ?

                    (3) I don't care if Anky doesn't show up. It's boring when the predestined one wins. I'd like to see some others have a chance at the brass ring. Predictability is so BORING. Winning no matter what happens in the ring...is FRUSTRATING for the fans of the sport...

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                    • #70
                      MelantheLLC, I absolutely respect your opinion and I totally understand where you are coming from. I think it is unfortunate for the organizers, the spectators and the sport that we may be deprived of the opportunity to see this combo one more time at a US WC. Theo, the announcer was spot-on about the shirts. 100%.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by canyonoak View Post
                        For me and plenty of others, the entire competition will lose enormous appeal if Anky cannot go head to head with Isabell on their best horses.
                        Hmmm. I feel the exact opposite. The WC/Las Vegas gains appeal without Anky's presence. The results are no longer a given, and her absence opens up the competition.
                        It becomes a much more interesting event, with added suspense about the final outcome.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Alterageous View Post
                          she is now saying she will not go at all because Painted Black might not win, but she did not properly qualify the desired horse so, tough luck for her I guess. I'm not sure how she could circumvent that given that she has a slot, she just doesn't want to ride that horse.
                          Exactly. Those were her choices, no one else's.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                            Hmmm. I feel the exact opposite. The WC/Las Vegas gains appeal without Anky's presence. The results are no longer a given, and her absence opens up the competition.
                            It becomes a much more interesting event, with added suspense about the final outcome.
                            Mardi, I am with you 100%!

                            Sorry, Coreene, but I respectfully disagree with you on this one. In no way will I feel deprived if I don't get to see Anky and Salinero. I will, however, feel deprived if you are at the WC and I don't get to see you again ;-)
                            Last edited by akrogirl; Mar. 23, 2009, 08:18 PM.

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                            • #74
                              Thanks Coreene for the update. It wasn't broadcasted on Dutch TV, even not the victories against the Dominican Republic
                              you see? that's what's the matter with your country....you won't push the sport. How will baseball ever take over from equestrian aports if you don't televise it?
                              Humans don’t mind duress, in fact they thrive on it. What they mind is not feeling necessary. –Sebastian Junger

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by MelantheLLC View Post
                                Just so it's clear, I wasn't previously anti-Anky. But as a direct result of the quotes by Anky and Sjef in those articles linked, I've made a character judgment that they both have an inflated sense of entitlement and lack of sportsmanship in insisting that rules they apparently wished to have apply to others should not apply to them. I really don't care what those rules may be. The point is they want to have personal exceptions made because of "who she is" in the sport.

                                The argument of "I'm so important to this sport that I deserve to have things the way I want them," is just not a very attractive or admirable basis of persuasion.

                                So sometimes, you know, we do make considered judgments based on the actions of a person in the public eye. Time for some new blood, human and horse!
                                Maybe they need to stay home and crack open A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle. P.S. I'm not anti Anky but I'm not a fan of her training methods.
                                Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama

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                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                                  Hmmm. I feel the exact opposite. The WC/Las Vegas gains appeal without Anky's presence. The results are no longer a given, and her absence opens up the competition.
                                  It becomes a much more interesting event, with added suspense about the final outcome.

                                  I agree with this...the WC is after all a COMPETITION not an exibition. Sure we go to see great riding and training but we also go for the competition. I am not anti anky. If she is the best on the day and wins...great. But to make a statement to the effect that PB should not go because there is a chance that he will not win, well what is the point of "sport"?!

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                                  • #77
                                    Let me see: It cannot be suggested that Anky can be sportsmanlike and show up to the WORLD cup with the horse she qualified on rather than the one she did not qualify on?
                                    That's not what your post said, though.

                                    No one ,especially a european rider, has a duty to SHOW up AT ALL to a riding competition in the US just because they owe something ???? to the US public as you suggested.

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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by snoopy View Post
                                      I agree with this...the WC is after all a COMPETITION not an exibition. Sure we go to see great riding and training but we also go for the competition. I am not anti anky. If she is the best on the day and wins...great. But to make a statement to the effect that PB should not go because there is a chance that he will not win, well what is the point of "sport"?!
                                      Exactly!

                                      I would think it would be a greater victory to show up on your not favored horse and win...what's the problem? It seems very spolied bratish to me.
                                      https://www.youtube.com/user/jealoushe

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                                      • #79
                                        Originally posted by akrogirl View Post
                                        I will, however, feel deprived if you are at the WC and I don't get to see you again ;-)
                                        I'm so glad you're going, haven't seen you for ages! PM me, let's swap cell #s.

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                                        • #80
                                          Just as an aside, this past weekend showed her winning is certainly not a foregone conclusion. I want to see the pair again. But would like to see the "juf" take the blue. Cornelissen's rise is like something from a fairytale, and that combo atop the podium would be fabulous. Or Steffen (I have two passports).

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