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Anky and Salinero are not coming to Las Vegas **UPDATE** All European horses arrived

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  • #21
    Personal opinion is that Anky should get NO waivers to bring Salinero. Anky should not be able to bring Painted Black at this time either since the decision is scheduled to be made today and Anky has not put an application in yet.

    If something happens and either a:Anky gets 'added on' or b: (worse) Anky, kicks out another deserving rider to satisfy her ego, then I will be sorely disappointed in the FEI. I will shake my angry fist!!!

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    • #22
      Question. Why does Anky not want to bring Painted Black to LV?
      He was the horse she deemed important enough to show the requisite qualifying shows?

      And, if it was Salinero who was the horse she wanted to take to LV...why did she not bother to do the qualifying shows with him?

      I'm not understanding the politics and/or gamesmanship involved with this situation.

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      • #23
        Should have read EuroDressage!

        Astrid answered both my questions!
        Originally posted by Eurodressage
        The reason why Van Grunsven did not compete Salinero twice has two causes. First of all, the horse got a long break after the 2008 Olympic Games and secondly she had planned on riding him at the CDI-W Gotenburg but a back injury prevented her from riding.
        and

        Originally posted by Eurodressage
        Janssen does not expect his wife to ride Painted Black. "With Painted she can win a medal, or finish eighth. And for that she won't travel half the globe. If she goes, she goes to win," Janssen said. Anky herself said that she still wants to think about it, but stated that she shares the same viewpoint with Janssen.

        Still, it seems that when Anky withdrew from Gotenburg competion, she absolutely realized then that she would not quailify or wildcard to go to LV with Salinero...
        I guess, though, if you have the where-with-all you can get the rules changed for yourself.


        Originally posted by "Eurodressage
        "I'm so bummed out," Anky said. "Totally because I wanted to make my come back with Salinero and I have to ride two qualifiers to be able to start him in the World Cup Finals in Las Vegas. I can only ride the Indoor Brabant qualifier now and I prefer to start Salinero in Las Vegas."

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        • #24
          Bending the rules? FEI loves to bend rules--when it wants to.

          See post # 12 (winking eye icon here).

          For me and plenty of others, the entire competition will lose enormous appeal if Anky cannot go head to head with Isabell on their best horses.


          I hope FEI swallows its bile and stubbornness and Does The Right Thing.
          one oak, lots of canyons

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          • #25
            I think if you write the rule, you are pretty well apprised of the situation and being told that you have to follow it should come as no surprise. What is it, the rule Sjef helped write is only good for the peons?
            "I reject your reality and substitute my own" Adam Savage--Mythbusters
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            • #26
              Originally posted by canyonoak View Post
              Bending the rules? FEI loves to bend rules--when it wants to.

              See post # 12 (winking eye icon here).

              For me and plenty of others, the entire competition will lose enormous appeal if Anky cannot go head to head with Isabell on their best horses.


              I hope FEI swallows its bile and stubbornness and Does The Right Thing.
              I hope the FEI follows its rules and DOES NOT allow her to go on either horse since she has not followed the rules on getting the paper work in on Painted Black and she didn't qualify on the other one. I hope they have the guts to do the right thing despite what a bunch of fans want. She and Isabell went head to head on their best horses this weekend.
              Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama

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              • #27
                Originally posted by canyonoak View Post
                Bending the rules? FEI loves to bend rules--when it wants to.

                See post # 12 (winking eye icon here).

                For me and plenty of others, the entire competition will lose enormous appeal if Anky cannot go head to head with Isabell on their best horses.


                I hope FEI swallows its bile and stubbornness and Does The Right Thing.
                Sorry, I think the politics and "bending rules" is what is going to be the end of the equestrian sports a recognized Olympic Sport.

                ie. NOT fair when it comes to drug rules but OK if a favorite rider doesn't qualify. I guess it depends who benefits when a rule is bent. No?

                Maybe, they should just take dressage out of the recognized sport competition and make it a private (subjective) exhibition competition.

                Lots of $$$ opportunity for the riders and exhibition sponsors/owners and no worries about "how to objectively judge" an admittedly subjective competition.

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                • #28
                  Meow, meow.
                  one oak, lots of canyons

                  http://horsesportnews.wordpress.com/

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by claire View Post
                    Sorry, I think the politics and "bending rules" is what is going to be the end of the equestrian sports a recognized Olympic Sport.

                    ie. NOT fair when it comes to drug rules but OK if a favorite rider doesn't qualify. I guess it depends who benefits when a rule is bent. No?

                    Maybe, they should just take dressage out of the recognized sport competition and make it a private (subjective) exhibition competition.

                    Lots of $$$ opportunity for the riders and exhibition sponsors/owners and no worries about "how to objectively judge" an admittedly subjective competition.
                    You are so right Claire and I hope if she gets to go whatever rider loses that opportunity hires a lawyer and sues the FEI.
                    Last edited by ridgeback; Mar. 22, 2009, 03:40 PM.
                    Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by canyonoak View Post
                      Meow, meow.
                      I see you only want rules to be followed if it's line with your thoughts and opinions.. Lets be honest going to the WC would still be great considering 99% of the people in the stand couldn't hold a candle to any of the riders in the ring.
                      Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by canyonoak View Post
                        Meow, meow.

                        What was catty about my post?

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by claire View Post
                          What was catty about my post?
                          I'm sure she was talking about mine.
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                            #33
                            But Anky can never take away a startingplace from another rider, because she has selected herself with Painted Black. So the contrary is the truth not starting with Painted Black will give another rider a chance.

                            Isabell already stated that she want Anky to start with Salinero, because that would value a possible win of Isabell much more than when Anky didn't showup in Vegas.

                            And like Canyonoak allready stated their is not ONE single article within the FEI rules and regulations that haven't been bended before.

                            Theo

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                            • #34
                              purr purr.

                              the sound of the contented cat.
                              one oak, lots of canyons

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                              • #35
                                It is my understanding that if you are the defending champion you get an automatic berth so long as you qualify a horse under the rule. So, Anky has a berth with Painted Black by virtue of her being the defending champion, and the horse having done two shows.

                                She had been counting on a wild card for Salinero, which she did not qualify for because that horse did not compete in two qualifying events.

                                Thus, she is now saying she will not go at all because Painted Black might not win, but she did not properly qualify the desired horse so, tough luck for her I guess. I'm not sure how she could circumvent that given that she has a slot, she just doesn't want to ride that horse.
                                Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
                                you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by freestyle2music View Post
                                  And like Canyonoak allready stated their is not ONE single article within the FEI rules and regulations that haven't been bended before.
                                  Theo
                                  And, just because rules have been bent before does not make it right in this case (or any other).

                                  After all the AIG and finacial ruckus in US I think very few people have the stomach for such entitled outlooks.

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                                  • #37
                                    << And, just because rules have been bent before does not make it right in this case (or any other).>>



                                    and once again here is FEI's own World Cup Rule 490:

                                    Art. 490 General

                                    The FEI has the right to allow reasonable exceptions to the Rules for the World Cup Dressage.
                                    one oak, lots of canyons

                                    http://horsesportnews.wordpress.com/

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by freestyle2music View Post
                                      But Anky can never take away a startingplace from another rider, because she has selected herself with Painted Black. So the contrary is the truth not starting with Painted Black will give another rider a chance.

                                      Isabell already stated that she want Anky to start with Salinero, because that would value a possible win of Isabell much more than when Anky didn't showup in Vegas.

                                      And like Canyonoak allready stated their is not ONE single article within the FEI rules and regulations that haven't been bended before.

                                      Theo
                                      Last I checked Isabell doesn't run the FEI and what she wants doesn't really matter in this case. Maybe she should have rung Anky up and talked her into riding with a bad back so she could have qualified. Rules are rules why have them if you are going to bend them for some and not for others. Like I said I hope someone takes the FEI to court if they do this. JMO
                                      Last edited by ridgeback; Mar. 22, 2009, 03:43 PM.
                                      Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by canyonoak View Post
                                        << And, just because rules have been bent before does not make it right in this case (or any other).>>



                                        and once again here is FEI's own World Cup Rule 490:

                                        Art. 490 General

                                        The FEI has the right to allow reasonable exceptions to the Rules for the World Cup Dressage.

                                        And this isn't reasonable just because a bunch of fans want to see it and Isabell wants it...
                                        Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by Alterageous View Post
                                          It is my understanding that if you are the defending champion you get an automatic berth so long as you qualify a horse under the rule. So, Anky has a berth with Painted Black by virtue of her being the defending champion, and the horse having done two shows.

                                          She had been counting on a wild card for Salinero, which she did not qualify for because that horse did not compete in two qualifying events.

                                          Thus, she is now saying she will not go at all because Painted Black might not win, but she did not properly qualify the desired horse so, tough luck for her I guess. I'm not sure how she could circumvent that given that she has a slot, she just doesn't want to ride that horse.


                                          So it would seem that she actually did herself no favours by qualifying PB. Had she not...and she did not qualify Salinero, maybe, just maybe, she would/could have had the rules bent to get Salinero a wild card. But the fact IS...she IS qualified for a slot using the rule of competeing at two qualifier as defending champion. Just not with the horse she would have liked to have taken. There is a rule which allows for resonable exceptions...but this would not be an exception because she has qualified for a slot with PB.

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