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Choosing what level to ride at.. update post #28......new thoughts.

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  • #41
    Originally posted by cheektwocheek View Post
    If you can't lose weight and get your fitness back enough to ride 30-40 minutes of posting trot, sell your darn horse.
    Continuously?

    I don't even do 30-40 minutes of continuous trotting when doing conditioning trot sets, nor do I know anyone who does.
    Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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    • #42
      Originally posted by Texarkana View Post

      Continuously?

      I don't even do 30-40 minutes of continuous trotting when doing conditioning trot sets, nor do I know anyone who does.

      Sorry, forgot about literal thinkers😊 30-40 minutes worth of trotting incorporated into an entire ride. And there was no way I could have done it a year ago.

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      • #43
        Meh, we do hunt trail rides which are an hour long, 80% trotting, on terrain, over logs, through the mud, etc. horses get plenty fit that way and we all drink a beer when we are done - it’s a lot of work! But horse is fit and happy and has plenty in the tank for dressage schools and showing.
        The big man -- my lost prince

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        • #44
          Originally posted by soloudinhere View Post

          This seems like an unsafe way to approach things. It’s one thing to find say, half pass difficult but someone who finds a basic gait difficult is probably not an accomplished enough rider to be showing, where lots of things can happen and other people’s safety is also at risk.
          The scenario of a horse being startled into a canter did occur to me. Especially in Dressage where you are relatively uncontained by a rail, a rider who hasn't learned to ride the canter could easily become a safety issue.

          I'm not referring to the OP, who obviously knows how to ride the canter.

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            #45
            Originally posted by CanteringCarrot View Post
            How much time are you spending in the saddle? Typically TB's like to work. Also, for some riders they can maintain off of a few days per week, others need a solid 5 to keep up confidence, ability, connection with the horse etc.

            Not near enough right now, so am having sine trainer rides put on him fir a while. After this month I hope that I can ride more often, so that will help with all sorts of things.

            Originally posted by alibi_18 View Post

            And to me, there shouldn’t need any « battles ».
            Fighting with the horse is not proper riding.

            You know why we don’t see good upper level riders/trainers fighting or read about this in any training books? Because it doesn’t work.

            Choice of words is really important.

            But I’m glad you checked that your horse is pain free.
            A lot of fighting originate from pain and misunderstanding.



            I’m sure you enjoyed your lesson.

            Do you believe you are the only rider who’s been through that? I clearly understand whatever you are saying.
            We’ve all been there.

            You should have had you trainer tell you the reason for each lesson you take. Figuring out on yourself is good, but having your trainer explain her/his training philosophy and reasoning is better.
            That’s what you are paying for.

            I don’t believe you are a slow student... I believe your trainers never took the time to explain to you how things should progress and why you were doing X and Y at each level.



            Your issues are the same as everyone else.

            I’ve seen countless of lessons like the one you just have and while the riders get all excited about whatever they seem to grasp out of it, it’s just not that helpful in the long run.

            Doing circles for an hour is not a good training technique for any horse.

            And you shouldn’t be focusing on movements but more on the quality of your riding and the gaits you get.

            Again lots of assumptions are made, through lack of full information....

            My lessons currently are based around do something for as long as you can, then push a bit more, then rest while we discuss things.....with my breathing issues I’m struggling to build fitness. Sometimes circles are great because when you are outside in half a gale you can’t hear if you go large in the whole arena...cut the lesson to fit the circumstances.

            The guy I’m currently working with is fantastic, he is nagging the shit out of me about basic issues, that have either developed since the knee was replaced, or that I have always had, and have been allowed to get away with. I know that I had really really bad instruction as a child, compounded by years of riding on my own, then picking the wrong coach when I started this journey. It’s frustrating to discover at the top side of 60, that you don’t ride anywhere near as well as you thought you did.
            "He's not even a good pathological liar." Mara

            "You're just a very desperate troll, and not even a good one. You're like middle-school troll at best. Like a goblin, not even a troll." et_fig

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            • #46
              Originally posted by KBC View Post
              This is an interesting read for me now...

              At the end of last season I was a solid First Level, dabbling in second with my mare..

              This season? Well in the off season I got a new knee and a knee horse, and was confidently looking forward to competing my nice 2nd Level horse at 2nd Level. OH HOW WRONG YOU CAN BE...

              Life gets in the way, seems I lost a lot of fitness after the surgery, and then ending up with some, as yet undiagnosed, breathing issues, means that I’m really struggling to get back to where I was, and yes it is both a mental and physical challenge.

              First show, walk trot, and Basic (training level) rocked it, thought I was going to rule the world.

              OH HOW WRONG CAN YOU BE?

              After that first show we started working at moving up, and somehow lost it all, especially the canter, because he is so big and long striding, and I got tense, so he got tense, and we got into to a couple of pulling matches, and lost confidence in each other.
              What does this horse do under another rider? Does he have the same problems with cantering or just with you?

              Second level implies a horse that is through and straight enough to perform counter canter, medium and collected trot and canter, turn on the haunches and simple changes (with slight variations between US and CAD on 2nd level tests). I have a hard time imagining that a horse and rider capable of all of these things would go so far backwards as being unable to canter unless the horse or rider has sustained some kind of injury or strain. Or maybe a rider who has had a bad fall now has a death grip at the canter due to fear.

              If your horse was that reliably on the bit and carrying from behind and is now struggling with basics, your horse has either been injured or you as a rider need to do some totally different kinds of work.

              If you're 100% sure that it's all you, your trainer needs to put you on a lounge like and take away your reins and stirrups. And when she gives you your reins back, you need to bridge them. And don't take your stirrups back until you can w/t/c without them very well.

              I last showed at 1st level in late June and we did well, not at all poorly. As an exercise I started riding without stirrups. I haven't used stirrups since the show and it's the best thing I've ever done for my riding. I've never seen such a huge improvement in my own riding is such a short period of time. There will be challenges when I take the stirrups back but lots of things are being fixed that would have taken ten times longer to fix with stirrups.

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                #47
                OK second level horse, as in he has shown successfully at second level, scores in the low 70’s.

                But since then he was jumping for a while, he is good but opinionated, we are still figuring out our communication.

                lets be clear HE has no issue cantering, it is just 100% a mind game for me just now.

                A number of small/big things have been addressed, as basic as it seems I was riding with very uneven stirrups before my op, we have now got them even, and working on getting me even.
                "He's not even a good pathological liar." Mara

                "You're just a very desperate troll, and not even a good one. You're like middle-school troll at best. Like a goblin, not even a troll." et_fig

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                • #48
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                  Originally posted by TequilaMockingbird View Post
                  Second level implies a horse that is through and straight enough to perform counter canter, medium and collected trot and canter, turn on the haunches and simple changes (with slight variations between US and CAD on 2nd level tests). I have a hard time imagining that a horse and rider capable of all of these things would go so far backwards as being unable to canter unless the horse or rider has sustained some kind of injury or strain. Or maybe a rider who has had a bad fall now has a death grip at the canter due to fear.
                  I'm not so sure about that. There are some schoolmaster types that require you to be absolutely. dead. perfect. before they'll give you what you want. And my GP horse was famous for only offering passage (his party trick) if the canter aids weren't exactly right.

                  These horses, man. They keep us humble!

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by cnm161 View Post
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                    I'm not so sure about that. There are some schoolmaster types that require you to be absolutely. dead. perfect. before they'll give you what you want. And my GP horse was famous for only offering passage (his party trick) if the canter aids weren't exactly right.

                    These horses, man. They keep us humble!
                    Oh that they do, and yes, you ask properly he is awesome, but it is taking a while to get consistent.
                    "He's not even a good pathological liar." Mara

                    "You're just a very desperate troll, and not even a good one. You're like middle-school troll at best. Like a goblin, not even a troll." et_fig

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by TequilaMockingbird View Post

                      Second level implies a horse that is through and straight enough to perform counter canter, medium and collected trot and canter, turn on the haunches and simple changes (with slight variations between US and CAD on 2nd level tests).
                      There shouldn't be any variations given that Canada is paying to use the US tests.

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