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No Auditors for the JP Giacomini Clinic

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  • No Auditors for the JP Giacomini Clinic

    I guess

  • #2
    Wasn't there just a thread about this? Where did it go?

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    • #3
      It was poofed, apparently. The relative merits of this clinician vs. others of his background was under discussion; personal experiences were posted that ran both ways before it got derailed.

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      • #4
        I had to be a Debbie Downer, but I'm always suspicious of a clinician that doesn't allow auditors! I personally won't ride with anyone that I haven't seen teach before.

        ETA:
        After seeing the videos - I wouldn't waste my time or money. Oh dear...
        Last edited by MysticOakRanch; Jul. 25, 2014, 11:05 AM.

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        • #5
          A glimpse behind the golden door for those of us unwilling, unable, or otherwise not riding with the Master.

          This is his employee, his Assistant Trainer of 5 years or more.

          The "classically trained riding" starts at about 5 minutes.

          The best riding is at about 6 minutes. Well it may be later but I didn't watch.

          Breathtaking.


          http://youtu.be/RsN2PdWUbew?list=UUl...qvPY2K0A9QNOhw

          If you like what his teaching produces, what he must see as good, classical dressage riding since he employs her to ride his...horses... then by all means- go.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
            It was poofed, apparently. The relative merits of this clinician vs. others of his background was under discussion; personal experiences were posted that ran both ways before it got derailed.
            I missed the derailment - last I saw of it, there was some controversy but insufficient grounds for The Vanishing ...

            makes one wonder ...

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            • #7
              Well, there were some vague but serious allegations of fraud and other criminal behavior on that thread. I guess I can understand why the organizers would not want unknown people auditing. At the same time, barring auditors does nothing to raise the comfort level of people who might genuinely want more information about him and his teaching methods.
              "She is not fragile like a flower. She is fragile like a bomb."

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              • #8
                Has someone verified this with the clinic organizer? What kind of riders typically ride in his clinics, as there are only at best 5 riders in a 100 mile radius of that clinic location that ride above First Level.
                "The sea was angry that day, my friends - like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli"

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                  Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post
                  At the same time, barring auditors does nothing to raise the comfort level of people who might genuinely want more information about him and his teaching methods.
                  I must apologize, the title was meant to be tongue in cheek reference to The Vanished Thread which was about audititing ... if there is no discussion allowed, then how can there can be auditing

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by NJRider View Post
                    Has someone verified this with the clinic organizer? What kind of riders typically ride in his clinics, as there are only at best 5 riders in a 100 mile radius of that clinic location that ride above First Level.
                    The OP in the vanished thread was inquiring about whether it would be an interesting audit, which led to the controversial discussion & ...
                    Depending why that thread was vanished I suspect the clinic may still be open to auditors ... or perhaps not ...

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                    • #11
                      Why would a thread go "poof" as opposed to merely locked down?


                      I personally find it disconcerting that the JP thread went poof. There are plenty of contentious threads that are merely locked down, not removed. I hope there isn't a double standard somewhere...
                      Last edited by SnicklefritzG; Jul. 23, 2014, 01:24 PM.

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                      • #12
                        I think it was probabley poofed because of the reference to JPG's behaviour with young girls ?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MysticOakRanch View Post
                          I had to be a Debbie Downer, but I'm always suspicious of a clinician that doesn't allow auditors! I personally won't ride with anyone that I haven't seen teach before.
                          Youtube is lousy with his instruction and training videos.

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV0JEuQIja8

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by alto View Post
                            I must apologize, the title was meant to be tongue in cheek reference to The Vanished Thread which was about audititing ... if there is no discussion allowed, then how can there can be auditing
                            I figured as much. Clinicians make a bunch of money from auditors as they only have to provide a seat and, maybe, lunch for the fee. Like pasture board it's almost free money for the provider!!!

                            As I said in the vanish thread, go ahead and go. You're risking a very small amount and could reap a major benefit. Or maybe his approach will be so far beyond you're approach they are completely incompatible.

                            Go and have a good time.

                            G.
                            Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raa, Uma Paixo

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                            • #15
                              Alicen that video is no longer available.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by katarine View Post
                                A glimpse behind the golden door for those of us unwilling, unable, or otherwise not riding with the Master.

                                This is his employee, his Assistant Trainer of 5 years or more.

                                The "classically trained riding" starts at about 5 minutes.

                                The best riding is at about 6 minutes. Well it may be later but I didn't watch.

                                Breathtaking.


                                http://youtu.be/RsN2PdWUbew?list=UUl...qvPY2K0A9QNOhw

                                If you like what his teaching produces, what he must see as good, classical dressage riding since he employs her to ride his...horses... then by all means- go.
                                I am not sure if this was meant as sarcasm?
                                I was thoroughly unimpressed by both horse and rider. Horse looks like a fat appy with a hollow back travelling above the bit and fairly irritated by the whole process, and rider, well, she appears to be water skiing in a a chair seat holding onto the horse's mouth and admiring her belly button.

                                There is no finesse. No connection.
                                "When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade."

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by katarine View Post
                                  A glimpse behind the golden door for those of us unwilling, unable, or otherwise not riding with the Master.

                                  This is his employee, his Assistant Trainer of 5 years or more.

                                  The "classically trained riding" starts at about 5 minutes.

                                  The best riding is at about 6 minutes. Well it may be later but I didn't watch.

                                  Breathtaking.


                                  http://youtu.be/RsN2PdWUbew?list=UUl...qvPY2K0A9QNOhw

                                  If you like what his teaching produces, what he must see as good, classical dressage riding since he employs her to ride his...horses... then by all means- go.
                                  That gal looks like she's about 12 or 14 yrs old. And why is she hanging on the poor mare's face so much? This is a pro rider? Really?

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by TBROCKS View Post
                                    Alicen that video is no longer available.
                                    Huh, it just opened for me. Out of morbid curiosity I watched lessons 1-5. Not once was the inconsistant rein contact or the arm position responsible for it mentioned.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Kyzteke View Post
                                      That gal looks like she's about 12 or 14 yrs old. And why is she hanging on the poor mare's face so much? This is a pro rider? Really?
                                      That is his Assistant Trainer of five years, Cedar Potts.

                                      http://youtu.be/GnCIavIDyR0?list=PLx...BKIWhqpNgYkXWN

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

                                        As I said in the vanish thread, go ahead and go. You're risking a very small amount and could reap a major benefit. Or maybe his approach will be so far beyond you're approach they are completely incompatible.

                                        Go and have a good time.

                                        G.
                                        There you have it, Guilherme, his approach is far beyond my approach, or comprehension as an intelligent way to work or ride a green horse.

                                        I'm just not into squares on the longe, or stiff arms and water skiing legs.
                                        Last edited by merrygoround; Jul. 23, 2014, 04:53 PM.
                                        Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

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