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  • Hip pain, rider/not horse

    I am a hunter/jumper rider and started riding dressage late last year to improve some things, never really planned on doing more than an a lesson here and there, well it has done wonders for my horse and we have stuck with it and the addition of a greenie that needs the basics we are doing more than a lesson here and there.

    My question is has anyone experienced hip pain, I do have some old injuries, and will occasionally get sore in my jumping saddle but nothing like this. I am not sure if its a change in position, the saddle, the lack of jointed irons?

    Any ideas or suggestions would be great.

  • #2
    I have some hip arthritis, if I ride in a saddle with a wide twist my hip kills me, no problem in a narrow twist saddle.

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    • #3
      Not a dressage rider, but I also get hip pain if I ride in a saddle with too wide of a twist, or the stirrups in the wrong place.

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      • #4
        I had to switch to riding in a CC snaffle due to bursitis. When do your hips hurt? When you ride, or late at night? That's bursitis.

        You don't need to ride in a dressage saddle. Or look for one with a larger, more open seat and a forward flap so you can ride with a shorter stirrup. That might help.
        A helmet saved my life.

        2017 goal: learn to ride like TheHorseProblem, er, a barn rat!

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        • #5
          Ages ago, Bernie Traurig wrote an article (or series) for Practical Horseman in which he cataloged his sufferings, including severe groin pain, as he made the transition from jumpers to dressage. I thought of him often when I finally got serious enough about changing my hunter seat for dressage to (gasp) not only buy a dressage saddle, but open my hip joint enough to conform to its contours. From my perspective (like Bernie's), when you go from consistently riding with relatively short leathers and closed joint angles to striving for an elasticity that includes opening to the max joints accustomed to being closed, there is bound to be pain unless you find ways to stretch your fibers gradually. In my case, I first bought a dressage saddle (Prestige) with blocks that came close to forcing my hips to open and force my legs down where I needed them to be for dressage, period. I had bought a beautiful position and pain. End of story. I called Prestige to complain of the pain and was told that the saddle could be painful, but would give me a beautiful dressage position if I persevered. All of that turned out to be true. That saddle did teach me where my leg needed to be for textbook dressage position, and also trained my fibers to accept it, albeit painfully. Once I learned the expanded range/open hip demanded by the Prestige, I switched to a less confining KN (Niedersuss), which allows me to explore the full range of what I can do with the joints pertaining to my seat, but I don't know that I would have found the full range without the Prestige. It's all a journey. Hope you enjoy and share.

          Also hope this helps.

          P.S. Also had a couple experiences with wide twist saddles which I learned to avoid like the plague because there was no way I could in such saddles manage to have a wide enough seat to accommodate the twist and a long enough leg to cue a horse effectively at the same time. IMO, the idiots who thought a wide twist would mean "comfort" to women with relatively wide pelvises forgot that that area tends to come with substantial padding taking up the space between our thighs.

          As David O'Connor so brilliantly observed as he almost lost his gold medal by heading off course "stupid, stupid, stupid!"
          Last edited by fish; Jun. 24, 2014, 09:18 PM.
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          • #6
            My first thought was "wide twist?" If you are riding in a dressage saddle with a wide twist and/or massive blocks, it can make you sore if you aren't meant for it! I need a fairly narrow twist and minimalist blocks or it will otherwise kill my hips.

            I do get some hip pain at time, too. Tight ham strings and tight abductors (or is adductors?) can be a problem. Try stretching and strengthening those areas and see if that helps.
            Amanda

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            • #7
              I second (or third or fourth?) the wide twist. I've even noticed hip pain when I ride wider horses vs. narrow ones.

              Can you not use jointed irons? It's frowned upon in my discipline (saddleseat) but I use them anyways and they make a HUGE difference.

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              • #8
                Buy a foam roller in sports authority or online sporting goods store, about $30 ( don't buy the cheap Walmart version).

                It looks like a pool noodle, but 5-10 minutes of it off horse works wonders! It comes with a chart of basic exercises but also type in foam roller exercise videos online and great stuff comes up, including a groin/hip stretcher not shown in the chart. The foam roller literally "rolls out" tight tendons and ligaments, the physical therapy name for it is myo fascia release.

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                • #9
                  I started getting hip pain when I got serious about the sitting trot. I made an appointment with my horse's massage therapist, who came from a sports medicine background. So she's good with people, too, with the bonus that she understands rider-specific aches and pains.

                  She gave me a deep tissue massage to my hips and back to loosen them up, then gave me a series of stretches to do at home. The combination helped immensely.

                  Oh, she also yelled at me because I have a short leg (1/2 inch difference) and I wasn't wearing heel lifts to compensate. That was throwing my gait out of whack and making my hips tight, and my back was starting to compensate for it. The riding just exacerbated everything.

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                  • #10
                    You don't mention if it's both hips or just one. I'm in my early 30s and started to experience pain in my non-existent dominant hip (weaker). Diagnosed as tendinitis of the gluteal muscles and I'm doing some PT. Not every pain is caused by saddle fit - I've known for years my left side was weaker and it finally came to a head. At least going forward I have some exercises to actually strengthen the area.

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                    • #11
                      I do not have hip pain, but an old back injury ( horse related ) has left me unable to ride in a jumping saddle. I thought it was just me, but EVERYTIME i rode in a jump saddle my lower back went out. Check your tack, do not ignore discomfort, and play around to figure out what works for you. Sitting in different tack leaves me feeing different ways. My dressage saddle fits me well, and is a godsend. I have to listen to my body to figure out what helps me.

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                      • #12
                        Where exactly do your hips hurt? Front, back, side, groin? One side, both? During the ride or after? Can you move your legs forward/back/up comfortably in the saddle?

                        Each area has a different reason for pain, on top of a different reason depending on your age.
                        Some touched on the wide twist- depending on your q angle and your overall anatomy, you can have pain in the lateral hip from your femoral head being cranked into the acetabulum OR your could have pain in your adductors if they are too tight OR pain in your IT or bursa.

                        Full disclosure, i was in specialty ortho & surgery for a number of years (tho now I'm Fam med/int med) AND I had a labral tear so I know hips, hip surgery, and hip anatomy pretty well. My "non-medical suggestion" is to work on stretching, foam roller hell on your hips, quads, adductors, abductors and glutes & some hip opening yoga poses for the next few weeks while you also try ride in a different dressage saddle. If it pain continues or a worsens, get looked at.

                        I
                        And the wise, Jack Daniels drinking, slow-truck-driving, veteran TB handler who took "no shit from no hoss Miss L, y'hear," said: "She aint wrapped too tight."

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                        • #13
                          I do the foam roller combined with some light yoga, a few ballet and general stretches. None of us are getting younger and tendons and ligaments tighten with age, we tend to feel it more if we switch riding disciplines or even if we try to correct a wrong position to a better one. That said, certain saddles can either help or hurt us so that is an aspect to consider as well...dressage saddle configuration more so than h/j saddles.

                          Warning, the foam roller will hurt the first few times you use it but don't give up, that means it is working, the pain is from very tight ligaments finally being released. The more you use it, the easier it gets, takes a few weeks of use till body adapts enough to it.

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                          • #14
                            Foam roller is amazing!

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                              It is both hips, although the right is a little worse do to a previous break and it is my weak side. Fish seems to describe exactly what I feel, it feels like I am opening up the joint, which at first feels amazing then fatigue sets in, I also have pain at night, even when I don't ride, but that is only on the right side. I will try the foam roller and stretching.

                              Thanks everyone.

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                              • #16
                                La Chasse,

                                What suggestions do you have for hip bursitis (pain on outside (lateral?) of hip joint). Already doing yoga and working out. I love my wide-twist saddle so I hope that it's not to blame. Had to cut back on wearing my Danskos!

                                I did try a steroid injection which lasted about a week.

                                Thank you!

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                                • #17
                                  I use tennis balls in addition to the foam rollers to press/roll out sore, tight areas. For good, safe and gentle Yoga stretches, I like the exercises in the book Back Care Basics, by Dr. Mary Pullig Schatz. Most helpful of all, has been Suzanne von Dietze, author of 2 books, Balance Through Movement and Back to Back, and videos of the same name. Von Dietze is expert in both riding (dressage and show jumping at International Levels), and physical therapy, which makes her an awesome source of insights and exercises both in and out of the saddle which improve riding while not only minimizing injury, but often to downright therapeutic effect, especially when it comes to loosening and improving the flexibility of the hip.

                                  P.S. I also find a hot bath with Epsom Salts, following by rubbing/massaging sore areas with arnica oil, a good way to loosen sore, tight joints, especially when I get out of bed in the morning feeling too tight to function. (Perhaps you've already guessed that I'm getting old, with a lot of old injuries and arthritis, but am still trying to improve instead of going downhill. It can be done. One of the best Yoga instructors in my area is in her 80's)
                                  http://www.tunnelsendfarm.com

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                                  • #18
                                    I had been dealing with chronic hip pain (mostly hip flexor) for the last few years. I thought it was just something I would have to live with. I tried massage and yoga, but what finally made the pain go away are all of the hip mobility stretches that we do at CrossFit. Years of chronic hip pain went away in less than a month. This video shows an example of some of the stretches I have found the most helpful (I suggest you put a pillow under your knee though). You can find more examples on YouTube if you search for "crossfit hip mobility" or similar.
                                    -Debbie / NH

                                    My Blog: http://deborahsulli.blogspot.com/

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                                    • #19
                                      wow, that video is something. looks effective but....... painful. I can't even sit crosslegged very well......

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                                      • #20
                                        I may have to try that video stretch with my right hip. I've had chronic hip pain for the past 2 years or so. My issue seems to be the hip flexor and tight hamstrings that gets aggravated when my SI joint slips out of place. I shouldn't be this broken at 32 years old!
                                        My May boys: Beau, Neon, Criss

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