• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Thoughts on this mare as well?

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Did we lose a chunk of this thread?!
    ~Veronica
    "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
    http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

    Comment


    • I think the upgrades/maintenance lost the more recent posts on every thread after X time ....

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
        Did we lose a chunk of this thread?!
        Yes, we did.
        Maggie Bright, lovingly known as Skye and deeply missed (1994 - 2013)
        The Blog

        Comment

        • Original Poster

          So, I guess I will repost this. This gelding was posted earlier:

          http://www.equine.com/horses-for-sal...2.html#contact

          But isn't he built downhill too?
          Maggie Bright, lovingly known as Skye and deeply missed (1994 - 2013)
          The Blog

          Comment


          • Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
            Did we lose a chunk of this thread?!
            I just noticed that a lot of threads came back up shortened.

            Comment


            • Being built down hill is not the end all for 2nd unless that are wayyyy down hill. You have to look at the whole picture.
              Last edited by rabicon; Aug. 21, 2013, 03:07 PM.
              Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

              Comment


              • Originally posted by Skyedragon View Post
                So, I guess I will repost this. This gelding was posted earlier:

                http://www.equine.com/horses-for-sal...2.html#contact

                But isn't he built downhill too?
                I don't think the setup for the confo photo did him any favors. He doesn't look too horrendously downhill, but I wouldn't call him "uphill" either

                I really like his back end - it looks like he could really power from behind. His trot photos look pretty decent, too.

                I am nowhere near an expert, but I think he's nicer than the draftx mare.

                Comment


                • He looks like he has a nice trot based on the pictures and understands a basic connection with the bit. Temperment being rated a 3 bodes well for his brain too. If I were looking in that price range and he was within 3-4 hours, I would go see him. He sounds promising as a well started, all-around, flashy 4 year old.

                  Comment


                  • I like him also. His topline will improve with work. With his hind leg standing way under his body I think he looks weaker than he is.

                    i would xray his feet
                    I wasn't always a Smurf
                    Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                    "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                    The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

                    Comment


                    • He looks like a great deal if he vets well

                      Comment


                      • In the abstract, I like that horse fine. I stand by my position that a green horse is a BAD idea for your situation at the moment. Also consider that an experienced eventer (as that seller appear's to be) may have a very difference concept of what 3/10 on the temperment scale is than you.

                        But in a "look at the horse in a vacuum way" in terms of his build/movement/quality I find that pally QH to be easily the most promising of all you've posted so far.

                        Is 15.1 going to be small for you? It can be a dicey size for re-sale if he's going to be an "English horse." I feel strongly that whatever you choose, whether you listen to anything else we recommend or not, please get something very "resaleable" in case 6 months or more down the line you're in that position again.
                        ~Veronica
                        "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
                        http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

                        Comment


                        • I posted that link with some other more seasoned horses that would be a better fit IMO. But he was nice so I posted with the disclaimer "if you must have a green horse this is a nice one". So I'm guessing she does just really want a young greenie but hopefully the help she has on hand is appropriate to help her with one. That said if a greenie is a must for some reason and you have the hope for 2nd this one is far better built for the task you will be asking.
                          Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by Sunsets View Post
                            I don't think the setup for the confo photo did him any favors. He doesn't look too horrendously downhill, but I wouldn't call him "uphill" either

                            I really like his back end - it looks like he could really power from behind. His trot photos look pretty decent, too.

                            I am nowhere near an expert, but I think he's nicer than the draftx mare.
                            For sure.
                            I wasn't always a Smurf
                            Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                            "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                            The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

                            Comment


                            • Also to add to the op. If you can't eye this horse and tell it would be more suitable for the job then the one you posted you may really need an experienced person with this discipline to help guide you to a horse. Pretty is as pretty does and color doesn't mean the world. I knew when bought my paint that he isn't going to be my grand prix prospect but after a year of looking at true grand prix prospect I was happy with him as my order and making to 2nd or 3rd if all goes well. If you truly don't want to be in a position again with an unsuitable horse you really need to find someone to help you. Not trying to be mean but I also agree that if your trainer can only get you to training level that is questionable IMO. 1st is not much different and any decent hunter/jumper, lower level eventing, or even most western trainers could get a horse through 1st. I don't understand why training is a cut off because truthfully intro means nothing much. It's a fun way to get green horses out, or green riders starting or kiddos out. Don't get me wrong i showed my greenie in intro As well and my new guy will start in intro but intro is not by no means a tell to if a horse is going to do well in the next level. Even training. My guy could easily pull mid 70s intro but he was a hard one with the canter and holding himself and reaching. His scores dropped to low and mid 60s for training and first. So that said that 63 you got in intro if you went training with this horse tomorrow, since we know the horse has changes it can canter, you would probably score in the mid 50s. That's not what you want for a 2nd level prospect.
                              Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

                              Comment


                              • He is cute (the pally QH), looks like a good guy and acceptable mover. I don't know that 4 and "very green" would be the best fit. Are you ready to train a horse? Have you trained a green horse in dressage before?

                                If you are both just learning - understand that the process may be reduced to an absolute crawl - and be ready to pay a trainer to ride your horse as well as taking very frequent lessons. And do not expect any progress without that.

                                Training green horses is a special skill, and it requires a strong and confident rider, who has feel - and knows the moment when something is done right (and dispenses reward), and the know how to "open the right doors, and close the wrong ones" in guiding the horse through the learning process. It takes a very in tune and responsive rider to create a well broke horse.
                                APPSOLUTE CHOCKLATE - Photo by Kathy Colman

                                Comment


                                • He's very cute. $1500 for horse and spend $1500 for trainer to ride him. He's four and ad says very green. A temperament of 3 sounds promising but honestly you don't know a thing about him, or any of them till you try them and then you still don't know till you have them home.

                                  If you are going to take on a 4 year old, he's a better prospect than an OTTB at for the resources you have .

                                  Comment


                                  • Originally posted by Countrywood View Post
                                    He's very cute. $1500 for horse and spend $1500 for trainer to ride him. He's four and ad says very green. A temperament of 3 sounds promising but honestly you don't know a thing about him, or any of them till you try them and then you still don't know till you have them home.

                                    If you are going to take on a 4 year old, he's a better prospect than an OTTB at for the resources you have .
                                    Definitely. If the OP buys this horse, she should spend the excess in her budget on a month or two of full training for the horse, and extra lessons for herself.

                                    I don't know where you're located, OP, but Carol Schulz (Lansing area) is an excellent rider and does very well with non-warmbloods, horses that need to be retrained for dressage, and greenies.

                                    Comment

                                    • Original Poster

                                      I don't "need" or particularly "want" a green horse, however green horses are much easier to come by in my price range then horses with more training. The more I look the scarier it gets, haha.

                                      Without going into huge detail I think what it comes down to is my trainer wants to retire. She is into her 70s and has been giving lessons and training most of her life. I think getting me to training and then passing me on to another trainer is her "end game" plan. Of course that was when I was aiming to make it as far as I could with my lease gelding, so I don't really know what the plan is right now.
                                      Maggie Bright, lovingly known as Skye and deeply missed (1994 - 2013)
                                      The Blog

                                      Comment


                                      • You didn't like any of the others I posted before it disappeared? The ones that have been trained or at least wtc and have been out on the trails? Are you looking for something particular? Truthfully if your trainer is that age and wanting to retire sometime I would for sure start getting out there and checking out other trainers.
                                        Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

                                        Comment


                                        • some qh's are born broke...some not so much.

                                          that guy is probably a little less downhill than my old qh who was schooling 2nd and 3rd movements when he decided he wasn't doing that anymore.

                                          having said that - when we started pushing him, he was also a stubborn cuss and i ended up having a LOT of training put on him, cause i didn't know enuf to do it myself.

                                          ended up being a really good husband horse for a few years after till we retired him.

                                          Comment

                                          Working...
                                          X