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Soft mouth bits.... happymouth's, french links... uhhh? uhhh??? what else?

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  • Soft mouth bits.... happymouth's, french links... uhhh? uhhh??? what else?

    I have a youngster that is still in the unbalanced phase of her training (just under saddle for two months) and has a very soft mouth. I have taught her to come round from my leg, but she is still not "taking the bit" and leaning into the bridle consistantly. Part of that is her being very green, but I think part of that is also because she isn't particularly happy with the loose ring french link I have in her mouth.

    I can ride a simple half halt with my body, and slightly with my hand and she really gets upset (slams on the brakes/throws her head!) so I tried her in a happy mouth dee ring bit. She seemed to take the bit, and push into my hand better...except in the canter we have NO brakes. So to sum it up, I think we need a bit that is close to the happy mouth and the french link loose ring. Any ideas on what to use?

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    I bought a horse a little while ago that didn't want to take contact. I put him in a locking snaffle which really helped. As I can't show dressage in that, we switched to a hanging NS snaffle for showing, but still school in the locking snaffle.

    The one I bought is the Stubben EZ Control
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    • #3
      My horse really dislikes the movement of the loose ring, but he is happy in a boucher or a full cheek with keepers.
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      • #4
        Two things: 1) some young horses do better with a more stable bit with a cheek that assists with turning (i.e. a D ring or full cheek with keepers) 2) some horses do better with a solid mouthpiece at first (like the HS duo).

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        • #5
          I love the Nathe snaffle. It was the only bit my last hunter would go in. Definitely consider it.

          My current 3 year old will be going in a Nathe when he is ready for a bit (right now he is being backed in a bosal and Western saddle). My horse dentist told me that this horse has the thinest of membranes stretched over the bars of his mouth and that bitting him correctly was going to be important. My Nathe is my "go to" bit for such horses.

          Another option to give you some control at the canter (and there will be disagreement with this) is a gag snaffle. If used by a good rider with sensitive hands it works through pole pressure, not mouth pressure. It works great on horses who are afraid of the bit, for whatever reason. BUT it must be used sympathetically by a competent rider.
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          • #6
            I really love the D-ring Herm Sprenger Duo... but it's an expensive experiment.
            If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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            • #7
              You might try a d ring or egg butt. Or a mullen mouth.

              I ride my 4 year old in a french link D ring. I got a basic one for $35. I'm waiting to get one of the Herm Sprenger ones.

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              • #8
                I have had excellent results with the Myler comfort snaffles with the barrels. My pony has a super soft mouth and goes comfortably in his.
                I normally use a full cheek with keepers, but due to his goofy oral fixation with grabbing the lower cheek bar, I switched him to a western dee (with the sweet iron mouth).
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                • #9
                  I second the more 'fixed' cheek pieces. My mare likes an oval mouth egg butt better than the same oval mouth in a loose ring.
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                  • #10
                    Mullen hAppy mouth seriously alot of horses go well in it, i found out when i bought a mullen hm 3 ring for a specific horse, now i ride the majority in it, i have ra in my hands so the extra leverage helps them not lean

                    Also have mullen hm loose ring for shows and a loose ring double jointed hm with a roller depends on the horse

                    Also second fav to the3 ring is a plain metalab d french link for the horses that dont need the 3 ring usually have the d with a figure 8
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                    • #11
                      I recently bought the Happy Mouth DJ loose ring w/ the roller, and ohmygosh what a difference it made for my baby! I'd tried eggbutts, KK, HS standard loose ring . . . and *blech* But the peanut roller seemed to make for an insta-change with him.
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                      • #12
                        Nathe, HS Duo, or a Happy Mouth mullenmouth. All good choices and some of my favorite bits.
                        Amanda

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                          #13
                          YB, what makes the Nathe bit different than the Happy Mouth bit? They seem so similar, and I'm sure the quality is better in the Nathe, but hard to fork up that extra $100!

                          Do you think it's worth it? I would love to try one before I buy it, but I dunno if that's possible.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jsydney5 View Post
                            YB, what makes the Nathe bit different than the Happy Mouth bit? They seem so similar, and I'm sure the quality is better in the Nathe, but hard to fork up that extra $100!

                            Do you think it's worth it? I would love to try one before I buy it, but I dunno if that's possible.
                            Happy mouth is hard plastic and nathe is soft bendy flexible rubber. Totally different feel.

                            I have a nathe loose ring, but my new horse hates it. He will be on that always needs a stable bit, I think.
                            Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
                            you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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                            • #15
                              Make sure that you are comparing apples with apples. What is the thickness of the bits that you are using? How wide are they? How high up in the mouth do they hang? Sometimes a preference is due to size and fit, not type of bit.
                              "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by jsydney5 View Post
                                YB, what makes the Nathe bit different than the Happy Mouth bit? They seem so similar, and I'm sure the quality is better in the Nathe, but hard to fork up that extra $100!

                                Do you think it's worth it? I would love to try one before I buy it, but I dunno if that's possible.
                                The Happy Mouth is hard plastic and the mouthpiece is straight. I wish they'd make a curved, plain mouthpiece (without their goofy dressage-illegal bumps) in the D ring cheeks.

                                The Nathe and Duo are soft plastic around a steel cable, and the horse ends up shaping it to be comfortable in his mouth. It also can bend/change shape a small amount in reaction to the rein. They are very nice bits... overpriced, but very very nice.
                                If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Lori View Post
                                  I have had excellent results with the Myler comfort snaffles with the barrels. My pony has a super soft mouth and goes comfortably in his.
                                  I normally use a full cheek with keepers, but due to his goofy oral fixation with grabbing the lower cheek bar, I switched him to a western dee (with the sweet iron mouth).
                                  Ahhhhhh.... Just standing around my horse will work the right side of the bit until it's in her mouth. While working if she starts feeling stressed she pulls on the right and you can feel her jaw clamp. Maybe this bit of yours would help. I'm going to pm you for more info.
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                                    #18
                                    UPDATE FROM OP!!

                                    I tried using the Happy Mouth Mullen mouth eggbutt, and there is a huge difference in the way she goes! Lots of salivating/white foam/good stuff coming from the mouth, much more happy when I put in a half halt, more eager to stretch down in the stretchy trot.

                                    BUT! I went XC schooling in it, just for the heck of it, and I definitely need more steering and brakes than a happy mouth. Remember, she didn't like the loose ring french link. So, I might try another bit for cross country. Not sure what to start with, but that's where we're at! Thanks for all the help!

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                                      #19
                                      UPDATE FROM OP!!

                                      I tried using the Happy Mouth Mullen mouth eggbutt, and there is a huge difference in the way she goes! Lots of salivating/white foam/good stuff coming from the mouth, much more happy when I put in a half halt, more eager to stretch down in the stretchy trot.

                                      BUT! I went XC schooling in it, just for the heck of it, and I definitely need more steering and brakes than a happy mouth. Remember, she didn't like the loose ring french link. So, I might try another bit for cross country. Not sure what to start with, but that's where we're at! Thanks for all the help!

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                                      • #20
                                        I really really like this bit http://www.waldhausen.com/marken/nat...m_store=german

                                        Its super soft, but has just a tiny extra bit of leverage versus a D-ring/egg butt. 99% of the horses I've ridden with this bit like it. Only problem is its expensive!

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