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  • The neckware only with jackets rule

    I still don't understand why the rule is stated that way. I know, in the OLD days, people would just take off their jacket and ride. Some shirts were sleeveless ( horrors upon horrors!), some long sleeved and some short sleeved--oh, and people would often just leave on their stock tie or choker and it looked great.

    Why did this "fashion police rule" (along with the "no sleeveless shirts without jackets rule) come into being? What in the world was the motivation? Someone with a farmer's tan felt they got a raw deal when not having sleeves? Someone thinking that shirts just look better without the neckware if you don't have a jacket on?

    Really, I'm just trying to understand the motivation behind the changing of this rule. It's just...odd...

    Then again, maybe it was because of those out here with burly forearms and mistied neckware...who wants to claim responsibility?!
    "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

  • #2
    I would think that if it's hot enough to take jackets off, you wouldn't want to leave the equivalent of a turtleneck around your carotid arteries.

    Now, if they allowed those cooling bandanas around your neck, that would be a good thing!

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    • #3
      Besides the neckware being hot, there are some upper arms that shouldn't be seen in public, and then too some sleeveless shirts display major "gap-osis"
      Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

      Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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        #4
        Yeah, that's why I think there are dressage fashion police at work here.


        As for the neckwear, I think cooling bandanas would be fine. Kind of an odd version of redneck dressage. That would make the fashion police nuts.
        "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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        • #5
          There are some things you shouldn't do

          It would be like seeing a man in a wife beater with his tie on.

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          • #6
            1. If it is too hot for a coat, it is too hot for a stock tie tied tightly around your neck.

            2. Stock tie ends that flap in the breeze look silly.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 2ndyrgal View Post
              It would be like seeing a man in a wife beater with his tie on.
              Really? That is kind of rude.
              You mean because someone does not have perfectly toned arms, but has a great Dressage test, they are offensive?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                Really, I'm just trying to understand the motivation behind the changing of this rule. It's just...odd...
                Not sure what you mean by "changing" of the rule.

                It has been that way as long as I can remember.

                The oldest rule book I have on my hard drive is 2007, and it was definitely the rule then.

                I have older (print) rulebooks at home I might check, if I have time.
                Janet

                chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  You think it has always been in place? Trust me, it hasn't. I used to ride in a sleeveless shirt and choker when jackets were waived. It was gauche to have an unbuttoned collar, back in the OLD days. Dig a little deeper.
                  "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                    You think it has always been in place? Trust me, it hasn't. I used to ride in a sleeveless shirt and choker when jackets were waived. It was gauche to have an unbuttoned collar, back in the OLD days. Dig a little deeper.
                    DITTO That! Way back in the dark ages! Yup me too!

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                    • #11
                      How far back are you talking about?

                      From the 1990-91 rule book
                      Article 1920.4
                      In extreme heat (temperatures above 85) management can allow competitors to show in the national level classes without jackets. However, competotors must wear solid white long or short sleeve shirts without stocks and regulation hat.
                      Janet

                      chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                      • Original Poster

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Janet View Post
                        How far back are you talking about?

                        From the 1990-91 rule book
                        Further back.
                        "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                          Further back.
                          OK, that's the oldest rule book sitting on my shelf, so I can't go back further than that.
                          Janet

                          chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                          • #14
                            Waaay further back! LOL

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Janet View Post
                              How far back are you talking about?

                              From the 1990-91 rule book
                              I had to laugh at the definition of "extreme heat (temperatures above 85)...in AZ that's a nice day

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                                <snip> in the OLD days, <snip>
                                one had to be male and a calvary officer (to compete at the Olympic level).

                                In 1952 civilians (both genders) were allowed to compete ...

                                Is this OLD enough?



                                No coat, no necktie seems pretty straightforward, the state of sleeves seems a little more esoteric ...

                                In Canada, every EC member has the right to propose an amendment to the rules, it seems likely that similar opportunity exists in the US ...

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                                • #17
                                  FYI, Velvet started showing about 100 years before stirrups were invented
                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirrup#History

                                  Regarding the rule, it has been that way since I started showing in the mid 80s. But if you violated it, no one gave a rat's rear.
                                  See those flying monkeys? They work for me.

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                                  • #18
                                    I have been competing since the 1982 and it was the rule then. No neckware when jackets were waived. On the other hand, we were never allowed to ride without jackets - if it was too hot for no jackets, it was too hot to ride at all. and, one never, ever, rode at FEI levels without a jacket.
                                    www.settlementfarm.us

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by JLR1 View Post
                                      I had to laugh at the definition of "extreme heat (temperatures above 85)...in AZ that's a nice day
                                      Right?

                                      I was thrilled to see the high is only supposed to be 86 tomorrow, since my clinic ride is at 4:15.
                                      Originally posted by Silverbridge
                                      If you get anything on your Facebook feed about who is going to the Olympics in 2012 or guessing the outcome of Bush v Gore please start threads about those, too.

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                                      • #20
                                        There's probably some long forgotten, archaic military reason for the rule, don' cha know, like always mounting on the near side of the horse. Perhaps having a tie or stock flapping about was dress unseemly for an officer?

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