• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Dressage saddle for a Lusitano

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Dressage saddle for a Lusitano

    I have a 15'2 Lusitano. I need to get saddle. He is only 6 and has a little more growing to do. I'm looking for saddle recommendations. When he extends his front legs, his shoulder comes WAY back. I'm looking for a saddle that will accommodate his movement. I prefer a narrower twist and not too deep of a seat.
    Any suggests to look at or to avoid?
    Thanks

  • #2
    does he have a flat or curvy back? I would search for one that advertises shoulder freedom. The Prestige D1, Verhan and others have special features for horses with a lot of shoulder movement. If you have a brand you like you can inquire as to whether that company offers such a model.
    Das größte Glück der Erde liegt auf dem Rücken der Pferde. Das größte Glück der Pferde ist der Reiter auf der Erde

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      He doesn't have as flat of a back as most horses his breed. I have a county for my tbred cross. It's been a good saddle.

      Comment


      • #4
        There's a new passier in the latest Dover that looks intriguing. The tree shape is different to accommodate big shoulders and a rounder frame.
        www.destinationconsensusequus.com
        chaque pas est fait ensemble

        Comment


        • #5
          I have a Custom Saddlery Icon Flight for my big-moving 15.2 Lusitano. We both love it, and Mr. Sensitive lets us know *immediately* if he doesn't like something.

          Our Custom rep was fabulous to work with, and I highly recommend the company and the product.

          Comment


          • #6
            Somewhat related to the OP, I just bought an Andalusian cross (dam was a QH) that at first glance appears to fit my County Perfection pretty well. She's got the banana shaped back but doesn't have large withers. It's stamped MN but fits like a MW. It doesn't bridge/rock at all. The only issue is she has a pad of fat above her shoulder that prevents that saddle from really sitting on her back all the way. There's lots of clearance all around until you get above the shoulder, right where the top of the knee roll starts. My trainer's saddle is a MW Hulesbos that is only slightly wider than mine and it still wants to slip back when you really get her moving.

            Right now she's on the upper end of normal/borderline overweight. She's not straight up fat but I can't feel her ribs. She was being fed 6lbs of Omolene 200 per day and worked 3 hours a week (basic W/T/C and not working over the back) by the previous owner. I thought that was way overkill for her. I've since switched her to SafeChoice and cut the amount to 4lbs as she's an easy keeper. I may cut it back even more but she has a heavier work load than she did previously but only for the past 20 days or so. She's now being worked 3 hours a week under saddle and 60-90 minutes a week on the ground. And the 3 hours under saddle are asking for more engagement than previously. She just turned 4 and not ready for full time training. I will probably bump the under saddle time to 4 times a week by summer time.

            I'm thinking some of the fat will convert to muscle as we (my trainer and I) condition her more. If after 2-3 more weeks of regular work and more muscle she still is a little pudgy, I will be cutting the feed back to 3lbs. She's got a decent topline considering that there's not a lot of muscle there. I'm sure the shape will change some but not drastically.

            Anyone have any experience or words of wisdom on this situation, ie the saddle fit (or anything really)? I really love my saddle. I don't think it's hurting her in any way, just that it could be better. But I'm almost thinking that looking at new saddles is a little premature at this point. If she loses some of the fat pad in the shoulder, my current saddle will fit her fine. But I've had some people tell me that in some horses that fat never goes away, even once they're in really good, athletic condition.

            Comment

            • Original Poster

              #7
              Cartago is on the petite side for his breed.The Vega line tends to be a little smaller. I bought him last year as a 5yo. My wide tree county connection fit him pretty well. My trainer and I wanted to take him way back to the basics. He had only been ridden for a few months, and then sat for a year. He is being ridden in a western saddle for the last 7 months. The county now perches on his withers and sits way too high. Looks like it will get in the way of his shoulders.
              The saddle fitter wants to wait another 6 months for his back to mature even more before ordering a new saddle. What I have learns, and experienced is the breed matures pretty slow.
              Thanks for all the advise !

              Comment


              • #8
                Do yourself a favor and try out a Schleese Obrigado. It was designed for Lusitanos with HUGE shoulders. I just got one for my Andalusian who is now twelve and it has made all the difference in the world. This horse now goes easily forward and has more schwung than he has ever had. We had Schleese fit it to him and to me. It cost me a lot of money, but my horse and his performance are worth it. He LOVES his new saddle.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by TequilaMockingbird View Post
                  Somewhat related to the OP, I just bought an Andalusian cross (dam was a QH) that at first glance appears to fit my County Perfection pretty well. She's got the banana shaped back but doesn't have large withers. It's stamped MN but fits like a MW. It doesn't bridge/rock at all. The only issue is she has a pad of fat above her shoulder that prevents that saddle from really sitting on her back all the way. There's lots of clearance all around until you get above the shoulder, right where the top of the knee roll starts. My trainer's saddle is a MW Hulesbos that is only slightly wider than mine and it still wants to slip back when you really get her moving.
                  Saddle may slip back when it's too narrow - i.e. pushed by the shoulder movement (even if it's just a single shoulder - think asymmetric horse or saddle flocking or even a slight twist in the tree).
                  Have you had your rep/fitter out to adjust the flocking for the "fat pad"?

                  I'd definitely continue to reduce her feed - make sure she's on (very) low sugar, higher protein, higher fat diet: sometimes fat pads are just that, other times they're an indication of metabolic issues - at just 4 & overweight (maybe all her life), I'd assume the former but adjust feed as if for the latter
                  I like to use a mineral supplement, quality hay (if you can find tested hay go with that for a couple months to really try the low sugar diet), then oats etc which I can play with while knowing that this is just the extra calories.
                  If possible have the horse out in a compatible herd as that will do more for her fitness than the limited riding/working I'd do with a 4 yr old.
                  You can also take her out on decent "walks" (like a dog FP did a lot of this: it's excellent for new experiences & building trust)


                  Right now she's on the upper end of normal/borderline overweight. She's not straight up fat but I can't feel her ribs. She was being fed 6lbs of Omolene 200 per day and worked 3 hours a week (basic W/T/C and not working over the back) by the previous owner. I thought that was way overkill for her. I've since switched her to SafeChoice and cut the amount to 4lbs as she's an easy keeper.



                  She's got a decent topline considering that there's not a lot of muscle there. I'm sure the shape will change some but not drastically.

                  But I'm almost thinking that looking at new saddles is a little premature at this point.
                  Absolutely do not buy her a new saddle if you can make what you have work - use creative fitting/flocking with your saddle fitter
                  It's quite likely that she will change enough again between 6-8 (from a Lusitano perspective), that you may need a new saddle at that point, so try to be conservative with your saddle purchases: many companies will do the 1 year fit warranty but that may also not be enough ... stay with a company that offer multiple tree widths so that swapping out the tree remains a possibility.

                  Comment

                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    I'm currently riding in a western saddle until I find the right dressage saddle. He turned 6 this month. I know they develop slower than most breeds. I'm looking at saddles now and hope to purchase by the end of summer. I couldn't agree more about getting the right saddle. You couldn't spend the amount of money on training and lessons to get the results of a great fitting saddle.
                    Thanks for your input!

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wondering View Post
                      Cartago is on the petite side for his breed.The Vega line tends to be a little smaller. I bought him last year as a 5yo. My wide tree county connection fit him pretty well. My trainer and I wanted to take him way back to the basics. He had only been ridden for a few months, and then sat for a year. He is being ridden in a western saddle for the last 7 months. The county now perches on his withers and sits way too high. Looks like it will get in the way of his shoulders.
                      The saddle fitter wants to wait another 6 months for his back to mature even more before ordering a new saddle. What I have learns, and experienced is the breed matures pretty slow.
                      Thanks for all the advise !
                      Have you had your fitter/rep out to open that saddle up as much as possible - this can make a considerable difference.
                      You might also consider having the tree widened (County does not support this) or replaced (County will do this).
                      I'd want to be sure of the western saddle fit, especially as he's changing.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        It's pretty tough to make any sort of meaningful recommendation without seeing the horse in question. Can you post a photo?
                        Kitt Hazelton
                        Saddle Fitter
                        www.pantherrunsaddlery.com
                        www.saddlefitter.blogspot.com

                        Comment

                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          I don't have any current pictures of his back. Will take some this weekend and post. I don't believe his withers/back will be hard to fit. It's give the big movement of his shoulders room to move is my concern

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Please post photos of the whole horse if possible. Overall conformation and balance plays a huge part in saddle fitting.
                            Kitt Hazelton
                            Saddle Fitter
                            www.pantherrunsaddlery.com
                            www.saddlefitter.blogspot.com

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I have a wide Thornhill Danube for my pony and it accommodates a wide flat back and has what I believe are called half points which my fitter said are good for shoulder freedom. Just an idea and possibly something to look into. I know she loves her saddle
                              My little girl, Katai - 13.2 Haflinger/Unicorn
                              and her blog

                              "Ponies are the new black. Welcome to the darkside!" - Manahmanah

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                I've been riding Lusitanos all my life, so maybe I can be of assistance.

                                If you can get your hands on one, the Zaldi's are made for this type of horses (fit 8/10) and the S. George is super comfortable for you too. The New Kent is an older model but pretty nice as well.

                                If you can't get a Zaldi, then the Prestine D1 would be my next suggestion.

                                Stay away from Devoucoux, Stubben and Passier, its really hard to get one that fits off the rack.
                                www.facebook.com/lusitanos4sale

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  I've been riding Lusitanos all my life, so maybe I can be of assistance.

                                  If you can get your hands on one, the Zaldi's are made for this type of horses (fit 8/10) and the S. George is super comfortable for you too. The New Kent is an older model but pretty nice as well.

                                  If you can't get a Zaldi, then the Prestine D1 would be my next suggestion.

                                  Stay away from Devoucoux, Stubben and Passier, its really hard to get one that fits off the rack.
                                  www.facebook.com/lusitanos4sale

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    For reference, here is my mare. You can see the fat over and above her shoulder. I went ahead and cut her food back some more.

                                    http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...10518831_o.jpg

                                    Comment

                                    • Original Poster

                                      #19
                                      She is a nice horse. It's hard to judge weight with this type of horse. They are rounder and my not look thin like a tbred. Like comparing Marilyn Monroe to Twiggy

                                      Comment

                                      • Original Poster

                                        #20
                                        Here is a link to my FB page. This is today. I have to say, he looks a little pudgy in this picture. The camera must add 100 pounds for horses. Today is his 6th Birthday

                                        http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X