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  • If he's a jerk, then he's a jerk. But apparently, in the situation everyone is so up in arms about, he's an INNOCENT jerk. Anyone willing to apologize for jumping to conclusions?????
    Different Times Equestrian Ventures at Hidden Spring Ranch
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    • Originally posted by BaroquePony View Post
      "Unidentified person stopping Van the Man ridden by Cesar Parra from running into another combination after the awards ceremony during the Wellington CDI3* Grand Prix."
      Just to be clear, the awards photo is not related to the alleged verbal warning.
      In fact, the photo is only barely related to the article. It has nothing to do with the story (except that CP is the only one identified in the picture) .

      The alleged verbal warning was in regards to an incident in the warm-up, just before Mikala's test. No photo of that incident was published with the article.

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      • Sure there is. DN saw the incident, saw the TD speak to Parra and assumed it was a verbal warning. Of course, should not have assumed--but if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck.....

        DN has retracted only the statement that there was a verbal warning given.
        I'd say their retraction of the meat of their report calls the whole dust-up into question.
        See those flying monkeys? They work for me.

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        • Good point.

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          • Originally posted by Timex View Post
            If he's a jerk, then he's a jerk. But apparently, in the situation everyone is so up in arms about, he's an INNOCENT jerk. Anyone willing to apologize for jumping to conclusions?????
            Seems everyone pretty much agrees CP is a grandstander and a showboater. And it is also well known that Van the Man can be difficult at times. But it also appears DN made an ASSumption about him being given a verbal warning. It was not DN's best journalistic moment, and really not surprising since DN has a history of portraying CP in the most unflattering light possible. I am wondering if DN will be a little more careful to stick to straight news reporting from now on, and stop trying to put a "spin" on its news stories regarding certain riders.

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            • " I came not to praise Caesar, but to bury him"

              We can't bury this particular Caesar, nor are we praising him but we can bury this thread.
              Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

              Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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              • Originally posted by Timex View Post
                If he's a jerk, then he's a jerk. But apparently, in the situation everyone is so up in arms about, he's an INNOCENT jerk. Anyone willing to apologize for jumping to conclusions?????
                Just because no official verbal warning was given by the TD doesn't mean that CP was innocent of wrongdoing.

                I suppose you think OJ Simpson was "Innocent," too.


                Seriously, the fact that DN only retracted part of the statement, relating to what the TD officially did, does not call into question what DN personally witnessed. That part of the story was not retracted.
                "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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                • Maybe they should change their name to Dressage Assumptions

                  It goes to DN's credibility, for sure.

                  And btw,they didn't say there was no official warning. The steward said there was no verbal warning (of any kind), period.

                  CP may be a first class a$$ hat, but that is perfectly legal.
                  See those flying monkeys? They work for me.

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                  • Castigate the guy all you want, I don't care. But this whole thread was about CP supposedly causing such an issue in warm up ring that he was issues a verbal warning, which turned out to not be the case, right? Or did I read the first 7 pages wrong? So, as I said, he might be a jerk, but in THIS INSTANCE, he's apparently an innocent jerk. Sad to see that no one is willing to cop to believing DN, 'just because' and say 'my bad' for jumping on the guy. I don't know him, I don't care to, but I'm also not going to automatically assume DN is a perfect source of information, with no agenda.
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                    • Originally posted by nhwr View Post
                      It goes to DN's credibility, for sure.

                      And btw,they didn't say there was no official warning. The steward said there was no verbal warning (of any kind), period.

                      CP may be a first class a$$ hat, but that is perfectly legal.
                      Excuse me, where did the steward say there was "no verbal warning of any kind?" I guess I missed that.

                      When someone is willing to retract a statement that they got wrong, then, in my view it gives MORE credibility to the part that they didn't retract.
                      "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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                      • I guess I missed that.

                        When someone is willing to retract a statement that they got wrong, then, in my view it gives MORE credibility to the part that they didn't retract.
                        Well, yes I can see why you'd feel that way

                        DN was sloppy about a fact that could be easily documented. They retracted it. Who knows how accurate they are with the remaining details but they have shown themselves to careless (at best) with the most serious part of the allegation.
                        Here are the facts they now present;

                        This is what Mikala Gundersen (who sounds like a serious class act, btw) said on the record:
                        Her mare
                        “does not have a lot of experience” and was “very upset… she was terrified”.
                        “I felt sorry for her having to go through a little drama before going into ring,” ... “so she lost her confidence.”
                        “I think My Lady is still a little bit green so gets distracted,” she said, “I just have to go out there and play with the big boys.”
                        None of this is damning for CP.

                        The rest of the story was filled in with statements by DN and unidentified witnesses
                        crafted to point the finger at CP. This is simply poor journalism.

                        Here is why it bothers me so much. CP has been accused of seriously bad behavior. Many of us have never had the pleasure of making his acquaintance and therefore have no basis to judge him. If these allegations are true, he should face the consequences. But exaggerating his behavior or making up things up out whole cloth gives the impression that he is simply not liked and this is just gossip. It muddies the water and undermines the more serious accusations.

                        DN should know the facts and stick to them when they are reporting.
                        See those flying monkeys? They work for me.

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                        • ^ This.

                          And especially this: "DN was sloppy about a fact that could be easily documented."

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                          • Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                            "...so that if I do not merit praise, I ought at least not to incur censure." CP seems to have missed this part.

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                            • One could say the same with regard to Dressage News, lol.
                              See those flying monkeys? They work for me.

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                              • Did anyone notice the thread that discussed the details of what happened has disappeared. IF it was true I can see why everyone has been tip toeing around the issues.

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                                • Originally posted by ponypappy View Post
                                  Did anyone notice the thread that discussed the details of what happened has disappeared. IF it was true I can see why everyone has been tip toeing around the issues.
                                  Do you mean this ? http://www.dressage-news.com/?p=20315 (now with a correction)
                                  ... _. ._ .._. .._

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                                  • No, there was a thread from someone that discussed in some detail what happened and now it is gone. I have no idea if it is true but just wondered were it went!

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                                    • I just saw a great quote and had to share. Got to go shovel snow now!

                                      WHAT YOU ALLOW.
                                      IS WHAT WILL CONTINUE.

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                                      • Just in case no one has posted about the horse's behavior in the W.U. - Apparently Van stopped and began running backwards, or reining back in an extreme manner, this is a behavior that he repeated in his test, for a very unclear reason. He just seems to shut-down and start backing up with haste. As I was not in the warm-up arena, I was watching the CDI, I was informed that the running-backwards behavior was what scared My Lady and Caesar apologized to her afterwards. Of course, all I can truly attest to as a first person witness is that Van ran backwards during his test, which I assume is similar to the behavior exhibited during the warm-up. I can see this behavior being very frightening or disconcerting to another horse as he does seem sort of 'out of control' during those moments. Just to add, it did not seem as though there was any attempt to sincerely intimidate any other competitor, as this seems to be more a case of Van's bad behavior.

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                                        • Guess he wasn't in front of the leg.

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