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  • Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
    Are you telling me that you would not be impressed by a horse that could perform a good dresage test, go hunting, trail riding, do gymkhana, jump, herd cattle, (add discipline of choice here) with style ?
    In truth, I'd be impressed, if not downright envious, with the rider (undoubtedly one who chooses Dos Equis beer) who had the leisure, body, and means to do all of the above well.

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    • Originally posted by paulaedwina View Post
      Herding cats! The cowboys beat you to it.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8

      Paula
      Still one of my ALL TIME favorite Videos! Priceless!!!

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      • In the 1980's and 1990's we were able to show (in Europe) a class called "Western Combination: a Western Riding pattern spicked with Trail obstacles. No letters, course was not read to you either, average ride time around seven minutes....In order to sucessfully complete a class like this your horse had to be ridden "correct" as in following the classic training scale. As for the rider, one had to be highly skilled as well. Unfortunately this class disappeared - makes you wonder why.....
        Classical Horsemanship

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        • Originally posted by Foxtrot's View Post
          BTW Mike Matson does not post just to cause a rukkus - he is just a nice guy who finds interesting stuff for the rest of us to enjoy/comment on. It is not his m.o. at all - but some people may chose to turn it into a COTH special.
          Yeah...right. You just keep telling yourself that's the reason.
          "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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          • Have you guys seen this EDS commercial? Their creative ad group was great. Love the cat herding and this one too. http://youtu.be/L2zqTYgcpfg
            "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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            • Originally posted by alibi_18 View Post
              Eventing as a dressage phase. It is dressage, so of course they are coming on the dressage board to talk about dressage.

              Cowboy dressage is not dressage. There is no dressage aspect in this video that we can discuss apart from the use of letters and the name. It is a western discipline.
              This is worth repeating.

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              • reminds me of the kandie threads on Ubby Dubb

                BEWARE VORTEX!! lol

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                • Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                  Yeah...right. You just keep telling yourself that's the reason.
                  Even if it were the reason (he has an equestrian-related business as well as a right-wing axe to grind), it's not a valid one, IMHO. What does he ever have to say about riding? Nothing. Is he, was he ever a dressage rider, or just some guy with Pro Tools who's discovered a niche market?

                  There are days when the lists of thread topics are literally half his doing, posting some stupid picture or cartoon. You can hardly find the discussions. One morning I checked in to COTH and someone had gone postal and bumped all his threads, so the forums were just wall to wall MM.

                  The poster was banned. You know, shoot the messenger and all that.
                  A helmet saved my life.

                  2017 goal: learn to ride like TheHorseProblem, er, a barn rat!

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                  • No it would not even have to be another animal.

                    It would be like we show up in a top hat and double bridle on a DWB to cut cattle only we ask the judges to judge us for our entry, halt, salute, meandering through the cattle without cutting a single one, passage/piaffe, halt salute instead of what is usually judge.

                    The judge knows we didnt cut a cow, the actual cutters know we didnt cut a cow, but the spectators filed in are primarlily new to cutting and have never seen enough good cutting but plenty of dressage so they applaud at our piaffe/passage, and the boards go crazy with dressage riders saying SO WHAT???!!! if they didnt cut a cow!!!, at least they are opening up the cow horse market with new people!
                    ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
                    http://www.off-breed-dressage.blogspot.com/

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                    • Cutesy pootsy dressage horses? Yeah, there are some that would fall apart outside an arena and facing - OMG - cattle (among other things). But I would mention that a few years back a 4th Level/PSG DWB was a member of the State Reserve Champion Team Penning team here in California. (He was not retired - he was also still competing as a dressage horse). All of my horses, excluding the present one (and we're working on that) were reliable jumpers and/or hunters and/or eventers and/or trail horses, including working cattle (ranch work, not competitive stock horse events). So? Cross-training is useful, but not required of a horse in every discipline. While I think it should be done, others don't, and if they're specialists, so be it, as long as their behavior isn't dangerous. ("I don't want to go near that cow" versus hysterical bolting, for example).

                      (and by cross-training, I don't mean western "dressage," whatever THAT may be. I'll venture an opinion on that when all the proponents actually have decided What The Fruitbat they're doing. At present, NOT dressage.)

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                      • There are quite a few dressage horses that aren't divas. I love my boy Carl Hester who hacks out his dressage horses, rides them on the road and turns them out. There are exceptions of course, but I do not think all dressage riders are afraid to go outside the sandbox. I think as trends go there are more horses that venture out the sandbox that are not dressage riders, but I'm trying not to speak in stereotypes any more.

                        In fact there was a thread asking whether Western is a state of mind or tack and we concluded it's the state of mind of the rider that dictates the exposure the horse gets regardless of the discipline.

                        Paula
                        He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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                        • Originally posted by alicen View Post
                          In truth, I'd be impressed, if not downright envious, with the rider (undoubtedly one who chooses Dos Equis beer) who had the leisure, body, and means to do all of the above well.
                          Jack of all trade, master of none.
                          ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                          Originally posted by LauraKY
                          I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                          HORSING mobile training app

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                          • Originally posted by alibi_18 View Post
                            Jack of all trade, master of none.
                            You say that like it's a bad thing.
                            "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything
                            that's even remotely true."

                            Homer Simpson

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                            • Originally posted by NoSuchPerson View Post
                              You say that like it's a bad thing.
                              Ditto. Some of us like to focus on one thing some of us like to focus on many things. It's all good -there's room enough for all of us.

                              Paula
                              He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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                              • Originally posted by paulaedwina View Post
                                I imagine since it is Western Dressage some people prefer to talk about dressage on the dressage board. I am sure, for example, there are eventers who talk about dressage here too.
                                But there is a difference here. Eventing dressage has the same movements, the same gaits, the same goals and objectives as pure dressage. (Of course, there are many movements in upper level dressage that are NOT done in eventing dressage, but eventing dressage is completely encompassed within pure dressage). It makes sense for an eventer looking for a dressage discussion to come here, because the same objectives are being discussed. The movements, the gaits, the objectives are different in CD and WD, so what point of commonality is there for discussion beyond "looks fun!"? Off-Course is great for showcasing inter-disciplinary stuff -- like those crazy Russian vaulters!! -- but if you want to spark a meaningful discipline-based discussion, the topics of CD and WD properly belong in a Western forum. That's not being snobbish; I don't come to the Dressage forum to ask questions about jumping xc (though my dressage lessons definitely help me with my jumping!).

                                FWIW:

                                I have no, zero, nada problem with CD or WD. Whatever floats your boat! There's no reason to think the horses are stressed or unhappy doing this. I haven't seen a lot of WD videos showing outstanding riding, but there's a lot of questionable riding at the intro levels of every discipline.

                                I have no, zero, nada problem with CD or WD using the term "dressage". As we all well know, dressage = training. I don't see how the using the terms CD and WD taints the "true" discipline of dressage - it's not a trademarked brand. I don't think we'll end up with lots of people who watched the Olympics and were inspired to take up dressage mistakenly ending up in a WD program .

                                I am, however, wondering how someone from classical/true/pure/whatever dressage and someone from WD/CD could have a fruitful discussion where they could take much away from each others' comments other than "Hm, that's interesting!" and develop some mutual respect. That's great, but why not discuss it in Off-Course?

                                Here's an analogy -- I am a scientist. I have a friend who's a historian. We both do research. It's interesting for me to hear how she does research, and I presume that at least some of the time she is interested to hear what I do. However, if I have questions about study design, I don't ask her -- I'll talk to another scientist. Not necessarily another biologist -- because cross-pollination of ideas is great -- but historical research methods are so different from what I use that it won't help me to talk to her. It doesn't mean that I am a snob and I think history is stupid or done by those who aren't talented enough to do science.

                                My 2 cents (I am clearly procrastinating today!)
                                I don't mind if you call me a snowflake, 'cause baby, I know a blizzard is coming.

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                                • I guess using your scientist analogy I see CD, WD, TD as different types of science as opposed to history vs science. So to use your analogy I would be happy to talk scientific methods with a molecular biologist, microbiologist, immunologist...

                                  I do think your analogy clarifies our points of view.

                                  My micro students are reading their first bacteria metabolism tests.

                                  Paula
                                  He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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                                  • Originally posted by Bristol Bay View Post
                                    There are days when the lists of thread topics are literally half his doing, posting some stupid picture or cartoon. You can hardly find the discussions. One morning I checked in to COTH and someone had gone postal and bumped all his threads, so the forums were just wall to wall MM.

                                    The poster was banned. You know, shoot the messenger and all that.
                                    That is hysterical! How did I miss it? And why in the world did they get in trouble? If all they did was bump the topics, that shouldn't be a major issue.

                                    I wish I'd seen that.
                                    "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                                    • Originally posted by Bristol Bay View Post
                                      Even if it were the reason (he has an equestrian-related business as well as a right-wing axe to grind), it's not a valid one, IMHO. What does he ever have to say about riding? Nothing. Is he, was he ever a dressage rider, or just some guy with Pro Tools who's discovered a niche market?

                                      There are days when the lists of thread topics are literally half his doing, posting some stupid picture or cartoon. You can hardly find the discussions. One morning I checked in to COTH and someone had gone postal and bumped all his threads, so the forums were just wall to wall MM.

                                      The poster was banned. You know, shoot the messenger and all that.
                                      Remember this when you want to apply to the Dressage Foundation for a grant.
                                      ... _. ._ .._. .._

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                                      • Originally posted by Crockpot View Post
                                        You have your own form of snobbery as do mvp and Equibrit.
                                        I notice that folks leap to ad hominem attacks more quickly in the Dressage Forum than any other (except for OT day). WTF, you guys?

                                        In my original post taking Dressagers to task for looking down upon other disciplines, I did mention that y'all could turn down the volume for a rant. That means, "take it easy, them's just my opinions."

                                        I don't think I have "snobbery" so much as a desire for other folks to be honest about their prejudices. If that's snobbery to you, I'll accept the accusation.
                                        The armchair saddler
                                        Politically Pro-Cat

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                                        • Originally posted by paulaedwina View Post
                                          My micro students are reading their first bacteria metabolism tests.
                                          Fun times!
                                          I don't mind if you call me a snowflake, 'cause baby, I know a blizzard is coming.

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