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So.. Did anyone Attend The "Dressage Summit" in Wellington?

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  • Originally posted by CFFarm View Post
    Sigh....perhaps 7HL will enlighten us. I've never understood WHY, if the goal was to ask the horse to back up, they didn't tap the horse on the chest with the "carrot stick" the man was holding. The horse clearly thought that raising his head was the correct response to the rope waving under his chin.
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    • Originally posted by CFFarm View Post
      Yes. And I'm sure a lot of the folks here would love to see a real NH trainer like Buck Brannaman not a wannabe like Linda Parelli.
      Buck makes it very clear he wants nothing to do with the NH term. It is horsemanship, there is nothing natural about it.

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      • Originally posted by carolprudm View Post
        I've never understood WHY, if the goal was to ask the horse to back up, they didn't tap the horse on the chest with the "carrot stick" the man was holding.
        Good way to get your brains knocked out on a sensitive horse. Blind spots are to be respected, even more so on blind horses...

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        • Originally posted by airhorse View Post
          Good way to get your brains knocked out on a sensitive horse. Blind spots are to be respected, even more so on blind horses...
          That's why you don't stand directly in front of the horse when you do it
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          • Was that first video for real?! OMG I have never seen the Parelli videos before, only heard of their craziness. That poor horse How can you shank the CRAP out of your horse, smack him repetitively with the rope and then hit him in the face and call it natural horsemanship?! I have tears in my eyes now knowing that many horse are being treated this was because unknowing fools follow the ways of these horrible people
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            • Originally posted by carolprudm View Post
              That's why you don't stand directly in front of the horse when you do it
              No, that's why you never do it. One of the dumbest things I have ever seen the P followers do. Great way to get hurt, great way to ruin your horses trust.

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              • Originally posted by airhorse View Post
                No, that's why you never do it. One of the dumbest things I have ever seen the P followers do. Great way to get hurt, great way to ruin your horses trust.
                Guess I would rather tap my horse's chest than slap her in the face.
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                • Every time I see that video of LP torturing the half-blind horse I want to vomit.

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                  • Originally posted by ThreeFigs View Post
                    Every time I see that video of LP torturing the half-blind horse I want to vomit.
                    What kind of drugs are on? But what ever they are I would see a doctor for for what ever delusional thoughts you are having about a torture video.
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                    • Originally posted by carolprudm View Post
                      Sigh....perhaps 7HL will enlighten us. I've never understood WHY, if the goal was to ask the horse to back up, they didn't tap the horse on the chest with the "carrot stick" the man was holding. The horse clearly thought that raising his head was the correct response to the rope waving under his chin.

                      Not playing the game. I might ask why you give a mouse's behind? I thought this thread was about "The Dressage Summit" @ Wellington. Guess it's turned into just another anti- Parelli thread.... adios and vaya con dios
                      The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.

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                      • 7HL, the horse is missing an eye and is getting hit repeatedly. Three Figs is not delusional in the slightest. One of the things that is striking - no pun intended - is that the horse is no "better" in it's responses from the beginning to the end of that video.

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                        • Originally posted by Reddfox View Post
                          7HL, the horse is missing an eye and is getting hit repeatedly. Three Figs is not delusional in the slightest. One of the things that is striking - no pun intended - is that the horse is no "better" in it's responses from the beginning to the end of that video.
                          How do you think it lost an eye..


                          She ripped it out to teach it a lesson....


                          Got to run and beat some horses.
                          Last edited by 7HL; Feb. 20, 2013, 02:38 PM. Reason: for the delusional....
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                          • Originally posted by ThreeFigs View Post
                            Every time I see that video of LP torturing the half-blind horse I want to vomit.
                            Me, too. I forgot how confused that poor horse was.

                            Originally posted by 7HL View Post
                            What kind of drugs are on? But what ever they are I would see a doctor for for what ever delusional thoughts you are having about a torture video.
                            What constitutes "torture" might be subjective. But the folks who thought so highly of that episode that they made it part of a training video are delusional ... along with those who defend them.

                            Originally posted by 7HL View Post
                            adios and vaya con dios
                            Promise?

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                            Thought it was too good to be true.
                            Last edited by mp; Feb. 20, 2013, 01:56 PM. Reason: 7HL ... the Parelli mouthpiece that keeps on talking
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                            • I've noticed that any time the PP followers/believers are confronted with the PP video's they get defensive and leave. Is there any wonder why.
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                              • Aaaaagh! I know sometimes it's necessary to quote someone when replying -- but I'm trying so hard not to read anything by Beetlejuice.

                                If all it takes to make them go away is to post YouTubes of Confuse-A-Horse games -- keep it up!

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                                • Originally posted by ThreeFigs View Post
                                  Aaaaagh! I know sometimes it's necessary to quote someone when replying -- but I'm trying so hard not to read anything by Beetlejuice.
                                  Mea culpa, figs. I'll try not to do it again. But 7 makes such silly statements, it's hard not to quote them.

                                  If all it takes to make them go away is to post YouTubes of Confuse-A-Horse games -- keep it up!
                                  I honestly thought the Parellis made youtube take down all one-eyed, horse whomping vids.
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                                  • I am not a PNH fan at all. I despise the "rope wigglers' he has created.
                                    That being said, I find "torture" a rather exaggerated claim. If I look at the videos as no-biased as I can, I see the point of the exercise was; how do you get a horse who has learned to walk all over you and pay no attention to you to pay attention and not do that? And my answer is; it all depends, and there are a lot of ways that could be accomplished. The horse made some changes, but I thought most of what she did necessary. It is the insistence on one particular technique, the rope wiggling technique, and the inability to adjust to fit the situation. I would hope what the owner got out of that was, just don't let your horse walk all over you, its not good. But instead, I assume he will just end up being another rope wiggler. The horse was bothered and harassed until he changed, there wasn't much feel going on, but ugly is hardly torture.
                                    As to the "contact game", (and I hesitate to give LP any credibility) I actually liked the analogy of holding hands. But then, I try to look for the good, in horses and people.

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                                    • MP, you are forgiven!

                                      Horsehand, perhaps my term "torture" was a bit strong, but I don't think it was all that out of line. Here is a horse with a vision problem. Whacking it on its blind side is not helpful. It cannot see the "correction" coming. Left to its own devices, when interacting with other horses, this one probably tries to keep its good eye towards its herd mates. Same with the people that handle it. It was repeatedly punished (or "corrected" if you prefer -- Lord knows I don't want to offend anyone!!!) for attempting to keep an eye on the handler.

                                      If you've got to approach a blind horse, you have to keep talking to it so it knows where you are. "Blindsiding" it is both dangerous and insensitive, IMO. I think teaching the horse some vocal command ("over", for instance) while gently tapping it or prodding it with a stick or whip, rewarding it when it complies, would have been a kinder way to get the job done. Sometimes ugly is necessary -- in this case, I don't believe it was. My opinion. Feel free to disagree.

                                      Even a busted clock is right twice a day. I have used the term "hand-holding" to try to explain contact to riders. I've been using it for about twenty years, so believe Linda's use is not original to her. We all pick up useful words and phrases along the way.

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                                      • Originally posted by ThreeFigs View Post
                                        MP, you are forgiven!

                                        Horsehand, perhaps my term "torture" was a bit strong, but I don't think it was all that out of line. Here is a horse with a vision problem. Whacking it on its blind side is not helpful. It cannot see the "correction" coming. Left to its own devices, when interacting with other horses, this one probably tries to keep its good eye towards its herd mates. Same with the people that handle it. It was repeatedly punished (or "corrected" if you prefer -- Lord knows I don't want to offend anyone!!!) for attempting to keep an eye on the handler.

                                        If you've got to approach a blind horse, you have to keep talking to it so it knows where you are. "Blindsiding" it is both dangerous and insensitive, IMO. I think teaching the horse some vocal command ("over", for instance) while gently tapping it or prodding it with a stick or whip, rewarding it when it complies, would have been a kinder way to get the job done. Sometimes ugly is necessary -- in this case, I don't believe it was. My opinion. Feel free to disagree.

                                        Even a busted clock is right twice a day. I have used the term "hand-holding" to try to explain contact to riders. I've been using it for about twenty years, so believe Linda's use is not original to her. We all pick up useful words and phrases along the way.
                                        Yeah, it just wasn't very special. It didn't look she gave any accommodation on his blind side. Like I said, you could have done it totally different, gotten the same result, and not been wrong at all. But they are teaching a method, and I dislike dogma. I think people dislike PNH for the wrong reasons sometimes. I don't think its cruel, or even all that unusual. I know of a lot better hands. I dislike the Home Depot clinic,do it yourself approach to horsemanship. And they are ripping other people off and calling it original. But to keep their machine going, they have to stay in the lime-light, right or wrong.

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                                        • Originally posted by carolprudm View Post
                                          Sigh....perhaps 7HL will enlighten us. I've never understood WHY, if the goal was to ask the horse to back up, they didn't tap the horse on the chest with the "carrot stick" the man was holding. The horse clearly thought that raising his head was the correct response to the rope waving under his chin.
                                          I know. Because they SUCK.

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