• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Training the Passage - What an AWESMOME Passage!

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Training the Passage - What an AWESMOME Passage!

    Wow! The video is in French but the result is quite evident.

    http://youtu.be/dc5kEmRL7Aw
    "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

  • #2
    Merci!
    "When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade."

    Comment


    • #3
      Is he saying to ride the horse deep like that in order to get the passage? Anyone understand French?
      RIP my beautiful Lola, ????–August 29, 2014

      Comment


      • #4
        If anyone cares to translate a summary of what he's saying I would be very interested to know. Damn me for not taking French! LOL

        In particular in curious about the use of travers on the circle.

        Comment


        • #5
          Gorgeous! Now if we could only watch his body better. Or listen to his mouth in that lowly language, English!
          Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

          Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

          Comment


          • #6
            In passage, the horse has a tendency to "harden" a bit. You absolutely must keep the horse supple. Therefore, we must find different exercises within the passage to preserve suppleness in the horse's back.
            First exercise is to have a light, relaxed horse with his poll a bit low and to see if the horse comes back to you. Not asking anything special, just to come back and stay supple. From there, at the trot, I modify and ask my horse to trot differently, to come up, engage his hind and then, passage. It's a lively passage, forward.
            Very important to try and do this on a circle because the horse always stays more closed (collected) in a circle than in a straight line. Once everything is there, then you can go straight. You want a horse that is completely straight (symmetric) , that holds the rhythm.
            1:22 Now what I am looking for is for him to lower his neck and let go of his back. Very good. I ask for less pressure and more relaxation. Voila.
            1:30 Change hand. I am careful that the horse stays between both legs. Very good.
            1:50 Now another exercise in passage, either on the circle or on the straightaway and work the head to the wall in order to mobilize the haunches and to keep both hind legs active. And it's also a suppling exercise.
            2:10 Same. I am asking for a very relaxed passage and will work the flexion a bit. I don't forget to ride with both my legs. I work the flexion and then haunches in. He's accepting this very well. I make sure to keep the horse on both reins. That's fundamental. The horse must keep his balance. I keep my back back and I ride with both legs. Horse keeps his suspension and I ask a little more on the long side. The horse stays very supple. I lift him up, I close both my legs and send him forward a bit in order to maintain active hind legs.
            It's essential to not do this too long. You must walk a lot between exercises, ask for something, then walk again, ask something else and then walk to be sure to maintain the suppleness of the horse.
            "When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade."

            Comment


            • #7
              I can give you a rough translation. apologies, I haven't spoken it in years so i may get some of it messed up or mixed :0)

              He says that you need different exercises within the passage to keep the back soft and lifted. his first exercise is to make sure that the half halt actually works and that his horse comes back when he asks. He then asks for different levels (and heights) of the trot, with the passage being slow and then with more impulsion to keep the hind end moving. He keeps the horse on a circle because they remain more closed on a circle than a staight line - so you end up having to work harder to keep the horse symetrical and straight, but once they get it that way, its much easier on the straight line.
              He then asks the horse to sit back more on his hind end, but keeps the energy so that he stays balanced between both legs (hency the change in direction in the passage, to show that the horse is balanced)

              next exercise can be done on a circle or straight line, and you want the the flexion to the inside with the haunches slightly in. (travers) It's a suppling exercise. He keeps a firm contact with both reins and encourages the horse to step over slightly while still being relaxed. He keeps him between both legs, asks for a bit more suspension and then asks for a bit more angle on the straight side. He then allows the horse to go more forward to conserve the hind end, and that it is essentual to keep this exercise to a minimum to avoid doing this exercise long, with lots of walking and praise in between.
              In my opinion, a horse is the animal to have. 1300 pounds of raw muscle, power, grace, and sweat between your legs - it's something you just can't get from a pet hamster.

              Comment


              • #8
                Thanks for the translation! This is timely for me because I have more difficulty keeping the passage on a curved line. My horse reverts to half steps. I'm going to keep studying this - thanks for sharing!

                Comment


                • #9
                  Many thnks for the translation. Very good thoughts.
                  Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                  Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Thanks so much for both translations.

                    I'm no expert, but I always thought that that's what a passage should look like-- plenty of "air" for both front and hind feet, and a horse who could do any move (bending or lateral work) in the passage that you'd also ask for in the trot.

                    I'm relieved that his explanations made sense to me. Executing all that training, of course, is another thing. But how refreshing to see all the fundamental stuff "still be there" when a rider is working on an upper level movement. Too many folks I have see teach the passage as a "trick" and always with the horse straight.

                    Thanks for the tread, Mike.
                    The armchair saddler
                    Politically Pro-Cat

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      So, the swinging hindquarters will lessen when the horse goes straight?

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Wow! Interesting he didn't show any piaffe.

                        Comment

                        Working...
                        X