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  • #61
    Vibrating the reins -moving the fingers should ask the educated horse to go deeper, rounder. Educated horses that hang or yank definitely should be brought to attention by use of the leg. Even uneducated horses can understand a quick request for forward, and find it more difficult to hang.

    Since this is horse with which the aim is to simply establish contact, the steadier you can be with your fingers and hands, the better.
    Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

    Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.


    • #62
      Originally posted by Superminion View Post
      I think a big part of our issue was that when I dropped the contact because she was leaning and she fell, it was to her knees so I didn't have any reaction time to boot her forward, since I was so off kilter.
      That is because you should have put the legs on before dropping the contact. Legs first!

      And as Merrygoround said, just one rein at the time; the inside one, slightly.

      Instead of dropping the contact, take your time to soften your elbows and your forearms muscles. Sometime it is not the horse that is leaning/pulling, it is our arms that are stiff and contracted.
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      • Original Poster

        Good point Alibi! She has a HUGE stride, so I keep having to remind myself that what feels like forward, isn't actually!

        I rode tonight, figured that I would just fart around bareback after I worked her in side reins on the lunge line. I wasn't expecting anything, just to cool her out, but she was so loose and relaxed, I thought that it wouldn't hurt to try picking her up.

        Sweet baby Jesus what a new horse! She was happy, forward (we just walked at first), accepting of the amount of rein that I gave her and also my leg. She did do a bit of jigging at first, when I closed my leg to ask her to move forward as I was slowly taking up contact. She settled right in and was really light in my hand, but still walking forward. No star gazing, leaning, sucking back, or bucking. We did a bit of trot work, with the same results. I didn't push it, but lots of patting and back on the loose rein. She was much better to the right than the left, but not bad. Working the bit, relaxed through her jaw and poll.

        I think I'm going to have the saddle fitter come back out, and also drop my irons a notch or two.

        Happy dance was non-optional though.

        Thank you all again, so much! Love COTH!


        • #64
          Remeber, if a horse jigs off and your hips say NO!walk, the jig will go away. the hands need do nothing.
          Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

          Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.


          • #65
            I have really enjoyed this thread! We have a great bunch of members here!
            Boyle Heights Kid 1998 16.1h OTTB Dark Bay Gelding
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            • Original Poster

              That's exactly what I did, Merry.

              Me too! I'm learning so much. I hope that it helps others as well.


              • #67
                Originally posted by Superminion View Post
                I rode tonight, figured that I would just fart around bareback after I worked her in side reins on the lunge line....

                Sweet baby Jesus what a new horse! She was happy, forward (we just walked at first), accepting of the amount of rein that I gave her and also my leg.
                While I am always a proponent of correct saddle fitting, I'd try lunging her in the side reins and then riding with full tack to see if it's the lunging in side reins that has warmed and suppled her.
                I put my surcingle over the saddle, which makes the transition MUCH quicker.
                chaque pas est fait ensemble


                • Original Poster

                  I'd never thought of putting it over the saddle, honestly. I always just ran the side reins through my billet straps.

                  Makes much more sense to put the surcingle over my saddle.


                  • #69
                    Just be forewarned, you may need to bring a longer girth for it than what you've been using.
                    It's also FABULOUS for what you're doing, because the pressure in the saddle mimicked your pressure as a rider (sans finesse and seat aides of course) so you can get to the bottom of this more efficiently.
                    It's also great for green horses to get used to the feeling of seat and thighs on a saddle without the danger to a rider.

                    Do keep us updated. I'm interested in hearing how this all progresses.
                    chaque pas est fait ensemble


                    • Original Poster

                      Thank you, I will! I'll have to try it. Do I put it in front of the stirrups, or just take them off the saddle completely?

                      I was looking at your website... umm.. Why can't you be in KY?!


                      • #71
                        You can thread the surcingle through the stirrups, or lay it directly over. You want the surcingle to be in the deepest sweet spot of your saddle.

                        You're too kind. I'm an eternal student too!
                        If you need pictures of how to place the surcingle, Monday is longe day and I can take pictures.
                        chaque pas est fait ensemble