• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Another pricing question :-)

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Another pricing question :-)

    I am a lowly event rider who has acquired (read-not purchased-long story) a great dressage horse. He is not for sale at the moment, but at the end of this year, I will probably need to put him on the market. I have NO idea what would be appropriate for him, and would love some thoughts.

    He is currently showing at 3rd level with mid-60s scores. This spring I am expecting the scores to be upper 60's-I rode TERRIBLY last fall with lots of mistakes. My instructor (who is also a judge), thinks that we should be able to be competent at 4th this year. I would love to dabble at 4th with him for a bit, but then it will be time for him to move on. He regularly scored in the low 70's at 2nd level.

    He is 13 this year, 16 hands, and, gulp, a TB. Straightforward ride, a bit on the lazy side, will do it correctly when you ask, but won't help you out. Light maintenance. Southeast location.

    Thoughts? I would especially be interested in the difference in value of a fairly competitive 3rd horse and a maybe not as competitive 4th (although, who knows, we may rock it! ;-) )

    Thanks for any input!

  • #2
    I think more information would be needed to really answer the question. For example, you said that this horse is showing third and schooling fourth. Are you riding a previously trained horse or are you putting the training on yourself? If you're not riding at the level of the horse, his training will slide backwards and he'll lose his sharpness to correct aids. Which isn't terrible, either - if your target audience is adult amateur, a tolerant horse is more sellable than an intolerant one. Lots of AAs and kids want a smaller horse who is trained to fourth to show them the way through first - third level. Is he an AA/kid horse?
    Proud member of the Colbert Dressage Nation


    • #3
      Just out of curiosity, did you check with his previous owner about how they feel about you SELLING him (after they gave him to you) after just a year or so? Perhaps they wish for you to continue the favor and pass him onto another ammy?


      • Original Poster

        Rephrased question: what would be an appropriate price range for a 13 yr old, 16 hand TB scoring well at 3rd. What if he was scoring well at 4th? Just a general idea as I know nothing!

        Clarifications: I guess I made things sound different then they are-I was trying to stay very general about things. I train/teach for a living-just in eventing, not dressage. His previous owners are well aware that my plan was not to keep him.

        I am bringing him along with the help of an instructor, but I am certainly out of my knowledge territory now that we are playing with 4th.

        I think he is AA/YR friendly, but I could be wrong, as technically I do ride horses for a living. Compared to my more upper level event horses he is a dream to ride, but I'm not sure what is considered AA/YR friendly in the dressage world. In eventing if they do their job in a calm sort of way I consider that AA/YR friendly.



        • #5
          If he is AA friendly or JR friendly at 3rd level doing well as a tb with maintenance around here probably about 25k if he is a schoolmaster type. Doing well at 4th 30k plus. If not a schoolmaster type and needs experienced riders more around 20k at 3rd 25k at 4th. Price will go up if he can go decently out at psg. Just what I've seen
          Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole


          • #6
            Pricing question

            Assuming the horse needs no maintenance, I would start asking $25k but expecting to take somewhere closer to $15k for a 3rd level average moving TB with good (but not necessarily perfect) x-rays, sound flexions, and a good mind.

            For what it's worth though, I would personally look at showing him PSG if you think he'll be ready for 4th level this year. The difference between 4th 3 and PSG is pretty small, and you would be able to advertise him as an FEI horse if he's shown PSG with decent scores (60% or better). The only real differences is that PSG calls for a true half canter pirouette rather than a working pirouette and you'll need 3's in addition to the 4's required at 4th level. However, if he's borderline on 4th level, then you might just ride 4th-1 which doesn't have any tempi changes, but rather asks for 3 changes across the diagonal with approximate locations. I wouldn't expect to see much price difference between a horse shown 4th-1 and 3rd level. Having tempi changes would be the next price-jump point in my mind.

            As a proven PSG horse with decent xrays, I would expect an amateur friendly TB to sell for around $30-40k. Of course that's in the midwest.


            • #7
              Down here a psg horse that ammy friend hand scores decently, people are usually asking around 65k and up. I don't know what they ate getting but that's what they are usually starting at
              Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole