• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Why Western dressage?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Why Western dressage?

    I don't want this to be a debate on the merits (or lack of) Western dressage, there are already a few threads that go in that direction.

    I just want to know, for those of you that participate in Western dressage, why do you do it/what got you interested in it? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just trying to understand the motivation. I just don't get it. At all. For what it's worth, I would be just as confused if an "English reining" thread popped up in the Western forum.

    I started out riding Western, but my focus now is on dressage. If I want to ride Western, I do (and use skills I've learned in my dressage lessons), but I feel like the tack is very restrictive. It dulls my ability to feel my horse and I feel like I don't get as quick of a response.
    It is only through labor and painful effort, by grim energy and resolute courage, that we move on to better things.
    Theodore Roosevelt

  • #2
    I think that's a very valid question. I'm just as flummoxed as you apparently are by this desire people seem to have for this type of mashed up new sport.
    "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

    Comment


    • #3
      NNNNNooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

      Here we go again....
      My Mustang Adventures - Mac, my mustang | Annwylid D'Lite - my Cob filly

      "A horse's face always conveys clearly whether it is loved by its owner or simply used." - Anja Beran

      Comment


      • #4
        I'd never heard of it until COTH. For me I just like trying new things and I'd moved to a barn this past June/July that has been my Balm in Gilead. I'm experiencing a different way of going with regards to me and my horse and it has opened me to trying different things like Barrels, poles, hacking, etc. So when this came to my attention and I looked at videos of it I thought it just looked like fun and approachable.

        But that's my personality anyway: I'm happiest doing 4 or 5 things at once. So I guess my answer would be, "why not?"

        ETA: I forgot about your tack observation. I feel the same way. I bought an Aussie saddle back when I got Fella, sat in it once and sold it. I felt like I was hovering inches above him and couldn't figure out how to use my legs and seat. I've learned that all Western Saddles aren't like that. My saddle is a treeless endurance style EZ fit and it is very close contact so this isn't an issue for me. I could see that as a challenge for many though -to go from English to Western, but I don't get the impression it's universal.

        My saddle http://www.flickr.com/photos/5296733...in/photostream



        Paula
        He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

        Comment


        • #5
          This ought to answer your question. Read the entire page, especially lower left. http://www.thecountrytoday.com/horse...a4bcf887a.html

          Comment


          • #6
            I know a few people that ride western dressage. They do it because they ride western, and they do a lot of dressage type training on their horses in western tack. They are mostly trail riders with more athletic type horses (Morgans, Arabs, and Appendix type QHs). And by trail riders I mean competitive trail and endurance. They do the "dressage" for fun and to train their horses, but they prefer riding western, have no desire to buy an entire new set of tack and riding gear.

            Personally it looks fun. I'm totally confused by the whole controversy.
            On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog

            Comment


            • #7
              You may want to pose this question on the Western forum also. Not sure how many Western dressage active participants visit here.

              Comment


              • #8
                I don't have much to say about the whole western dressage thing, other than that if a person wants to ride the lower levels (intro, training, first) in western tack under a USDF judge, they should be able to do so, and be scored.

                As for the saddles, I've only ridden in one western saddle (handmade, with a Warren Wright tree) that put me in the appropriate position. For what it's worth, the same saddle is the only one I've ever been able to gallop in a secure two point in. It's much easier to be put in the appropriate position, from which you can use your leg and seat well, in a dressage saddle though by no means is every dressage saddle going to be 'right' for everyone.

                Comment


                • #9
                  I suspect the main reason is so they can provide the COTH people a topic of ongoing derision to discuss ad nauseum

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Two competitors were at our Fall Show and they both are interested in more forward-moving Western horses than you'd find in any WP class. One rides a paint, the other, an Appaloosa. The appy owner also shows a good bit in the Stock Horse Association shows, where more 'naturally/normally' moving Western horse are shown on the rail, in ranch trail, ranch reining, ranch roping, etc...so they are using Western Dressage as another venue to show their horses, get detailed score sheets on their corners, straightness, rhythm, etc, and both ride well, on very crisp-moving, obedient, nice horses.

                    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


                    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


                    I show in Gaited Dressage and have found the local schooling shows a nice venue to show and get scored.

                    When Stock Horse shows are only held 3-4 times a year, the opportunity to hit a Western Dressage class at a schooling show is another way to work on your nerves and get out there and have fun.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      This Western horse isn't dogging along like a WP horse- nice horse, nice rider, nice ride.

                      https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        oooooooh, katarine, I love that appy!!!!
                        My Mustang Adventures - Mac, my mustang | Annwylid D'Lite - my Cob filly

                        "A horse's face always conveys clearly whether it is loved by its owner or simply used." - Anja Beran

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          She's a NICE mare, very handy and stylish. She's really a lovely rider and very successful with that mare.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I enjoy taking my horses (in their English tack) to trail rides, obstacle courses and cow events.

                            Why? For fun, exposure, cross training, and the ability to learn something new that may help me in the ring.

                            Having something to go over, through, around, or an obvious purpose can help my horse better understand why he needs to do a leg yield or turn on the haunches. It also improves our relationship. The same way practicing lower level dressage can help western horses improve training and build the necessary muscles and balance to perform in their respective disciplines better.

                            So I agree with the poster who said Why Not?

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              My main concern is not the saddle but the bits...
                              What is allowed in WD is just not right for the lower level of dressage.
                              ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                              Originally posted by LauraKY
                              I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                              HORSING mobile training app

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                What is allowed is one thing, but what people use is another. The curb is not mandatory. The snaffle is allowed at all levels. I ride in a snaffle, my trainer rides her western barrel horse, a stallion, in a snaffle.

                                Paula
                                He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  You are wrong. What is important is what is allowed or not.
                                  It gives the right to use all kind of bits and that goes against all dressage principles.

                                  What kind of training practices is WD advocating? If those bits are allowed they will be used.
                                  Who cares about one or two people? The rules applies to all. Don't complain later if your horse never wins against those who are following the rule (rules you endorse by joining) and using the high port, lever, spade bits that shouldn't be seen in proper lower level dressage.
                                  ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                                  Originally posted by LauraKY
                                  I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                                  HORSING mobile training app

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    They don't allow flashes or figure 8 nose bands. If you use a lever bit incorrectly will your horse show it by gaping, especially if Western bridles have no nose bands?

                                    Paula
                                    He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      Where is this written? Western Dressage rule

                                      Sorry but I don't know who told you 'flashs' and 'figure eight' were not allowed but I can't find it.
                                      ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                                      Originally posted by LauraKY
                                      I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                                      HORSING mobile training app

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        WDAA rules, page 15 WD501 "Illegal Equipment" #5 "Flash, figure 8 or dropped nosebands" http://westerndressageassociation.or...a77f38b1_e.pdf

                                        Paula
                                        He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X