• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Are Passier PS Baum trees adjustable?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Are Passier PS Baum trees adjustable?

    There are a couple on eBay that are what I am looking for, but they are MW, and my horse really needs a medium tree. One ad claims the trees are adjustable. Is this true?
    A helmet saved my life.

    2017 goal: learn to ride like TheHorseProblem, er, a barn rat!

  • #2
    Yes, but tree adjustments have to be done by a good saddler and and isn't cheap. The cheapest going rate is through Smith Worthington in Connecticut, which is in the neighborhood of $120-$150 + the cost of return shipping to you (sorry, can't remember the precise number off the top of my head.)

    Passier does make another synthetic tree that is not adjustable, but the PS Baum is their old standby and is a wood laminate tree that's adjustable by a few sizes in either direction.
    Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/

    Comment


    • #3
      Chances are the MWs are actually mediums. Sounds like the sellers are trying to drum up interest ;-) just ask for a clear photo of the stamp.
      Fwiw I'm a passier collector and I've never seen a used one stamped MW
      www.destinationconsensusequus.com
      chaque pas est fait ensemble

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Petstorejunkie View Post
        Chances are the MWs are actually mediums. Sounds like the sellers are trying to drum up interest ;-) just ask for a clear photo of the stamp.
        Fwiw I'm a passier collector and I've never seen a used one stamped MW
        I've never seen one stamped mw either since Passier sizes their saddles in cm--but of course, there are Passier cm widths that equate to MW. Every time I've emailed Passier a saddle serial number, they offer a tree number in cms and an approximation of how wide that is (m, me, w, etc).

        Since Passiers can be adjusted, the serial # marking may or may not reflect the saddle's current width. Takeaway for the OP: email Passier the serial to gather some recon, but also use other measurements from the seller to gauge the width.
        Last edited by jn4jenny; Jan. 21, 2013, 03:22 PM.
        Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/

        Comment


        • #5
          It should be fairly easy to narrow the tree on this. Narrowing tends to be cheaper since you don't have to drop the panels. Depending where you are - it's better if you can call a saddle-fitter who has the machine with them on their vehicle and can shape the tree with the horse right there. If you're in TN, you're in luck - plus I have a bunch of used Passiers PS Baum and Nicole's GG.

          Comment


          • #6
            Some of the Passier's are adjusted by opening up the saddle and adjusting the tree width along the full interior length. It's more expensive and not everybody will do it. Last I checked, Passier had someone they recommended for this. I expect the recommendation above is quite capable of doing it, as well.

            I am personally wary of the adjustment done with one of those saddle devils.I suppose you can adjust the pommel a little bit, but I understand it weakens the tree and can loosen the screws if done too much?

            edit: FWIW, I believe I had one stamped W at one point. Bought new. It also had CM measurements.
            Born under a rock and owned by beasts!

            Comment

            • Original Poster

              #7
              One of them is described as having a 31 "inch" tree, which must be cm. that would be wide, so that one is out.

              The other one has a 29 cm tree. I know that Passier considers a medium tree to be 27.5 cm. Is there really that much difference that it couldn't be flocked to fit? And the price just dropped.
              A helmet saved my life.

              2017 goal: learn to ride like TheHorseProblem, er, a barn rat!

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Bristol Bay View Post
                One of them is described as having a 31 "inch" tree, which must be cm. that would be wide, so that one is out.

                The other one has a 29 cm tree. I know that Passier considers a medium tree to be 27.5 cm. Is there really that much difference that it couldn't be flocked to fit? And the price just dropped.
                My recently sold Passier GG was a 28.5 cm tree and was WIDE! My boy wears a wide-xw in every other saddle he has had on (Prestige, County, Black Country, Custom Saddlery) and the 28.5 cm Passier fit him like a glove.

                That being said, its better to have a too wide than too narrow tree. You can have the flocking and/or tree adjusted as well as alter the fit with a correction half pad.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Passier-how adjustable?

                  i didn't realize they were adjustable..[edit]...can they be adjusted from med to wide-really? does anyone have experience actually doing this? a Passier med tends to run narrower. Any way to tell if it HAS been adjusted (or is it obvious?) it is not fitting my huge half friesian, he has very pronounced withers...would love to get a neidersuss, i think that would work well with his huge shoulders.
                  Last edited by Moderator 3; Jan. 21, 2013, 05:47 PM. Reason: to remove advertising

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    FWIW. My 2006 Passier Optimum was adjusted from a 27.5 cm (M) to a 29.0 cm (MW-W) by David Young, Passier's authorized saddlefitter. It cost about $350, including return shipment. Unfortunately, while the front of the saddle fits my CSH gelding well (plenty of room for big shoulders), the back of the saddle bounces and I constantly get moved forward toward the pommel. argh!

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      The tree is made of plywood with bamboo in the seat for the spring. So not as much metal as an "English" made tree. The head has a space for expansion and contraction to adjust up or down. Think of a bridge that lifts up for boats to pass with space between the bridge and the road for the same expansion and contraction. By the way polymer trees are also adjustable. They are heated to widen or narrow. Passiers polymer tree has holes along the cantle which make the tree very giving in the seat and not ridgid.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X