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Awesome Photo: Keen and Hilda Gurney

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  • #21
    Originally posted by AllWeatherGal View Post
    Ha! Spend a week riding with her and "love" may take on a new meaning.

    I rode in a clinic with Bo Jena last week. I told my trainer that on the one hand, I wish she taught like that every day, and on the other ... I was glad she didn't.

    She said we'd all have meltdowns if she did ... and my memory went zinging back to weeks with Hilda. As a teacher she's effective partly because she takes no prisoners. She's effective as a rider, too, partly because she knows when to push and how to reward.
    you KNEW you were riding like doody when she called you Honey At one clinic, I'm sure everyone thought Honey was my first name

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    • #22
      Thank you! I do love Northern Dancers-- especially the ones (like Sea Lord) who look a bit like ND on stilts! Those who say they don't like ND should take a good look at this one and the double back to him.

      I actually had 2 days many years ago with Hilda and the best of my TB mares (the one who looked like ND on stilts ). It was one of the high points in my life. On the first day, Hilda declared my mare a "spoiled brat." At the end of the 2nd, she said she had everything needed to go "to the top." One of the many things I respect in Hilda is her absolute willingness to change her mind!
      http://www.tunnelsendfarm.com

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      • #23
        Originally posted by KurPlexed View Post
        Anyone care to educate me? Why does the left hind look so far out behind?
        Because he was doing an extended trot. Unlike a lot of extended trots you see in the GP ring, he is actually striding as much with his back legs as with his front legs, the way a horse is supposed to.

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        • #24
          Thank you Grayarabpony.

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          • #25
            Actually the hind hoof flipping upward is not desirable and shows thrusting as opposed to carrying.
            Good illustration at the bottom of this link. Choose to believe it or not.
            http://www.ridingart.com/balance.htm

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            • #26
              Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
              Actually the hind hoof flipping upward is not desirable and shows thrusting as opposed to carrying.
              Good illustration at the bottom of this link. Choose to believe it or not.
              http://www.ridingart.com/balance.htm
              That was my thought as well.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                Actually the hind hoof flipping upward is not desirable and shows thrusting as opposed to carrying.
                Good illustration at the bottom of this link. Choose to believe it or not.
                http://www.ridingart.com/balance.htm
                There's no horse there in the same stage of lengthening as Keen.

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                • #28
                  The hind leg is supposed to be thrusting in the extended trot, and the topline is supposed to lengthen. The carry will show itself as suspension. (Carrying ability only partially comes from the back legs; the abs working and lifting the base of the neck is just as important.)
                  Last edited by grayarabpony; Dec. 8, 2012, 06:47 PM.

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                  • #29
                    Ton Farm's criticism was of the left rear hoof's "flipping upward".

                    Horse's hooves don't land flat and stay flat, unless maybe there's a problem with the leg hitching straight up. They rotate forward off of the toe of the hoof. Observe this slow motion video: http://www.topdressage.tv/phpBB3/vie...p?f=190&t=6125

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                    • #30
                      Yeah and she also said the hoof flipping upwards was because the leg was thrusting and it shouldn't be, none of which makes any sense.

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                      • #31
                        Like ALL of the Thoroughbreds that I know of who have competed internationally at GP in dressage, Keen (Willoughby: http://www.pedigreequery.com/willoughby4) goes back to Hyperion on top or as damsire. There aren't many, and only one has Hyperion as damsire. He's the sire line for all the rest.

                        I'm convinced that you cannot have a good "Pure" dressage TB without lots of Hyperion. Mieuxce is also good.
                        "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
                        Thread killer Extraordinaire

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by grayarabpony View Post
                          Yeah and she also said the hoof flipping upwards was because the leg was thrusting and it shouldn't be, none of which makes any sense.
                          Maybe it will make more sense when a poster like Ideayoda confirms it.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                            Maybe it will make more sense when a poster like Ideayoda confirms it.
                            Maybe it would make more sense if you made an effort to express yourself more clearly. Sorry, but horses expect me to be clear in my communications and I don't think that it is too much to ask the same from my own species. And am I in a bad, crabby mood? Yes.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by alicen View Post
                              Maybe it would make more sense if you made an effort to express yourself more clearly. Sorry, but horses expect me to be clear in my communications and I don't think that it is too much to ask the same from my own species. And am I in a bad, crabby mood? Yes.
                              I gave my explanation with this link: http://www.ridingart.com/toe-flip.htm It's clear to me, and if you or others don't buy into it, that's ok. Of course you will find countless videos showing the hind hoof flip, just as you will find them showing all kinds of faults. That's how dressage is; perfection is near unobtainable. It's a super photo of a super rider and a super horse.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by KurPlexed View Post
                                Anyone care to educate me? Why does the left hind look so far out behind?
                                Because it just vigorously pushed the right hind under and ahead, also lifted both fronts and itself off the ground. It is what one would call power.
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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                                  Actually the hind hoof flipping upward is not desirable and shows thrusting as opposed to carrying.
                                  Good illustration at the bottom of this link. Choose to believe it or not.
                                  http://www.ridingart.com/balance.htm
                                  You would not say that if the photo was taken a little earlier. It's a result of the suspension he achieves. Where else would you expect that hoof to go ?
                                  This must be REALLY undesirable then; http://media-cache-ec2.pinterest.com...RFv9i8T3_c.jpg

                                  This must be even worse yet; https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...85999797_n.jpg
                                  Last edited by Equibrit; Dec. 8, 2012, 11:02 PM.
                                  ... _. ._ .._. .._

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                                    Where else would you expect that hoof to go ?
                                    Dragging through the sand, perhaps?

                                    According to this photo, the horse was quite capable of sitting.

                                    http://www.eurodressage.com/equestri...rican-dressage

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by lovey1121 View Post
                                      Hilda is such an incredibly effective rider. She rode my big boy at a clinic and her effect on him was almost shocking. He was a sensitive boy with big gaits, and he was mesmerized from the moment she picked up the reins-even my trainer wholeheartedly agreed she'd never seen him go better-more relaxed, balanced, full of schwung. And luckily I have it on tape
                                      Hilda is truly one of the greatest dressage treasures we have in the US.
                                      Her timing of the aids is beyond compare...even the big guns of international riding of today. I have scribed for her and what a fabulous experience it was.
                                      Bethe Mounce
                                      Head Trainer, AmeriCan Romance Equestrian
                                      https://www.facebook.com/AmericanRomanceEquestrian
                                      Brentwood CA

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                                      • #39
                                        I'm sure that if Keen had known the camera was on him, he would have positioned himself a bit more perfectly.
                                        Groom to trainer: "Where's the glamour? You promised me glamour!"

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                                          I gave my explanation with this link: http://www.ridingart.com/toe-flip.htm It's clear to me, and if you or others don't buy into it, that's ok.
                                          ToN - seems to me that if horses do what you show in your animation for "carrying", they would not be able to extend the gaits as fully as Keen is doing in that photo - they would have to take shorter strides behind. Besides, Keen was certainly carrying himself and rider well enough to be able to lift his withers.

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