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  • Brentina/Totilas foal

    Perhaps I missed it, but did Brentina's surrogate ever deliver the Totilas foal? If so, when? Are there any pictures of the baby? I thought I read somewhere Brentina was bred to Totilas and a surrogate mare was to carry foal to term. Maybe I am just way off base and/or wishing! ;-)
    Bethe Mounce
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    My understanding from what was said at the USDF convention last year is that there were no Brentina foals and after having problems trying to have foals from her they chose to retire her instead.

    I don't believe there were any articles about it, and may have misunderstood, but I believe any conceptions which may have happened were lost in that case.
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      There's a piece on Brentina in this article; https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...NsRYbU37CGfMtA
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      • #4
        The last I heard they were doing ET, and there are two 2010 offspring.
        One is by Damsey, the other by Kingston.

        And the Parry's application to breed her to Totilas had been accepted.

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        • #5
          I'd like to see that baby
          Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

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            #6
            The article was great! Totilas is certainly well bred, I hadn't seen all of his pedigree before. Well, maybe some day Brentina's surrogate will have a Totilas foal. And I had no clue about Totilas' breeders. They are ultra careful and research alot before breeding and they keep it small to keep the quality intact....just super.
            Bethe Mounce
            Head Trainer, AmeriCan Romance Equestrian
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            Brentwood CA

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            • #7
              I'd like to see the offspring of the black Lusitano mares who were bred to Totilas last year. A few of the colts are supposed to be auctioned in December.

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                Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                I'd like to see the offspring of the black Lusitano mares who were bred to Totilas last year. A few of the colts are supposed to be auctioned in December.
                25 mares were inseminated.....to be auctioned Dec. 2012
                Do not confuse motion and progress. A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress.
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                • #9
                  25 mares were inseminated.....to be auctioned Dec. 2012
                  The auction was canceled, as only about half of the mares inseminated were actually pregnant. Also, Mr Ortigão Costa (the mares owner and breeder) was hoping for a bigger buzz around it then it actually was, so it was too much of a risk to auction the foals.
                  www.facebook.com/lusitanos4sale

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SCMSL View Post
                    The auction was canceled, as only about half of the mares inseminated were actually pregnant. Also, Mr Ortigão Costa (the mares owner and breeder) was hoping for a bigger buzz around it then it actually was, so it was too much of a risk to auction the foals.
                    Yes.....the man known for breeding black Lusitanos. Might be an interesting "experiment", but I still think outcrossing Lusitanos to DWB is a sacrilige as I'm rather partial to the small, compact, bullfighting lines myself.
                    Do not confuse motion and progress. A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pluvinel View Post
                      Yes.....the man known for breeding black Lusitanos. Might be an interesting "experiment", but I still think outcrossing Lusitanos to DWB is a sacrilige as I'm rather partial to the small, compact, bullfighting lines myself.
                      Does it make any difference to you that Totilas is KWPN, not DWB?
                      "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Eclectic Horseman View Post
                        Does it make any difference to you that Totilas is KWPN, not DWB?
                        Irrelevant....The point is that Totilas is Dutch...tracing from "traditional" warmbloody lines....

                        KWPN = Koninklijk Warmbloed Paardenstamboek Nederland eg., Royal Warmblood Studbook of the Netherlands.

                        I used the term DWB as a generic term for a Dutch Warmblood.

                        Lusitanos are a closed stud book of hot blood horses bred for a specific purpose....bullfighting and working cattle, which Totilas is not.

                        I have always felt if you want a warmblood, buy a warmblood, don't bastardize a breed.

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                        Do not confuse motion and progress. A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress.
                        Alfred A. Montapert

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                          Originally posted by pluvinel View Post
                          Irrelevant....The point is that Totilas is Dutch...tracing from "traditional" warmbloody lines....

                          KWPN = Koninklijk Warmbloed Paardenstamboek Nederland eg., Royal Warmblood Studbook of the Netherlands.

                          I used the term DWB as a generic term for a Dutch Warmblood.
                          I think what EH was getting at is that DWB is the common abbreviation for Danish Warmblood. Dutch bred horses are referred to as either KWPN or NRPS, depending on which Dutch registry they are in. So Totilas is KWPN - not DWB.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
                            I think what EH was getting at is that DWB is the common abbreviation for Danish Warmblood. Dutch bred horses are referred to as either KWPN or NRPS, depending on which Dutch registry they are in. So Totilas is KWPN - not DWB.

                            Exactly. Thanks.
                            "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Eclectic Horseman View Post
                              Exactly. Thanks.
                              Still irrelevant....DWB (Danish or Dutch), KWPN or NRPS....all warmbloods.....if you want a warmblood, get a warmblood.

                              Ortigão Costa is a very famous breeder who, I suppose, can choose to breed his mares to whatever critter is out there.....but I still think its a travesty to breed a Lusitano to a warmblood.
                              Do not confuse motion and progress. A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress.
                              Alfred A. Montapert

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by pluvinel View Post
                                Still irrelevant....DWB (Danish or Dutch), KWPN or NRPS....all warmbloods.....if you want a warmblood, get a warmblood.

                                Ortigão Costa is a very famous breeder who, I suppose, can choose to breed his mares to whatever critter is out there.....but I still think its a travesty to breed a Lusitano to a warmblood.
                                So it's irrelevant because you were wrong? If you meant "warmblood" when referring to Totilas earlier, you should have said "warmblood" instead of describing him as DWB. Although I imagine Dansk Varmblod would be happy to claim him as their own product, it does a disservice to the hard work of breeders and registries to dismiss such facts, especially in such a cavalier fashion.

                                And there are some that would argue that Lusitanos are warmbloods.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by pluvinel View Post
                                  I have always felt if you want a warmblood, buy a warmblood, don't bastardize a breed.

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                                  Warmbloods are the quintessential bastards.
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                                  • #18
                                    This is a little OT, but I know of a woman who bred her Weltmeyer daughter to Totilas and the foal (black filly) looks pretty awesome thus far! The foal was weaned and the mare basically went straight back into the show ring and in less than 2 months (I think?) won the Fourth Level Pacific Regional Canadian Dressage Championship. She's been off for 2.5 yrs and had 2 foals I believe, and in less than 2 months went on to pull of that, and she's gorgeous to boot!

                                    https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...55674914_n.jpg

                                    https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...73046279_n.jpg

                                    On another note, apparently Totilas' owner is being sued for Rath using the Rolkur method in his training.. or something along those lines.

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