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Morgan Vs. Parra - article on Dressage-News.com; Rate My Horse Pro link

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  • #21
    OK, stupid question here. now that I've just figured out what happened (thanks Inca), wouldn't he be caught *anyway* as soon as the owner discovered that the horse wasn't in the barn anymore and was just "flipped" for an additional $80K to another buyer? how could he think no one would notice that the horse was sold to person X but the horse is now owned by person Y? What am I missing?
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    • #22
      My guess is that seller and buyer are on different continents so CP figured seller would never follow up as to the new owner of record of the horse. But, that is pure speculation.

      According to the Rate My Pro "article", CP actually presented FAKE DOCUMENTS to the court as evidence supporting the "sham sale." Is there no criminal penalty for doing so?????? Seems like in addition to this civil case, there should be a criminal case for the false documents since they were submitted to a court of law.

      I hope enough people start suing over crap like this so maybe trainers will think twice before cheating sellers and buyers.

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      • #23
        It is interesting that this is the one that got this far in court but the horse that he damaged irretrieveably has not been able to do so as far as I know. It does make one wonder.
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        • #24
          This explains the whole story:
          (article is dated April 2012)
          http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/c...y-partner.aspx

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          • #25
            sadly, not the only discipline where this happens

            This sort of thing was responsible, in part, for the hunter, jumper killings for the insurance money
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            • #26
              Florence Sale Contract - note the principals http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/userfiles/files/Parra%20Bill%20of%20Sale3_RateMyHorsePRO.pdf

              The case of Miranda vs Parra regarding the injured stallion William, is going forward & will be heard in the same Court before the same judge. The info is posted on Rate My Horse Pro.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                This explains the whole story:
                (article is dated April 2012)
                http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/c...y-partner.aspx

                Wow....
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
                  Not to defend CP in any way on this, but I suspect these types of transactions happen far more frequently than most folks realize...



                  ..And those are just a few of these cases from the dressage world. I am sure the H/J folks could list a bunch of them, too. The good news is that more and more of these BNTs are getting caught, and more and more of them are getting taken to the cleaners legally.

                  I don’t why these idiot trainers think they can keep these transactions secret. All a seller has to do is watch the USEF or FEI databases and contact the new owner and ask how much she paid for the horse. Sometimes the new owner is as outraged about being scammed as the seller, and is all too willing to cooperate in legal action against the scammer.
                  It does seem that this type of fraud is not uncommon. See the "Don Slaughter Equisport International" thread on the H.J. forum.
                  One person blew the whistle on Mr. Slaughter/Equisport International and several others came forward with their own experiences with this dishonest person and the (still unpaid) court judgements against him.

                  That thread makes me wonder if this is the first person Mr. Parra has cheated. Absolutely mind boggling that he would present falsified papers in a court of law.

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                    #29
                    A word to the wise is sufficient. If you are selling or buying a horse, regardless of the amount, have a contract directly with the buyer/seller and have the funds flow directly as well. As far as an agent - have a Sales Agency Agreement and pay them directly ...and issue a 1099 for tax purposes as is required by the IRS.
                    Last edited by ise@ssl; Oct. 9, 2012, 12:17 AM.
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                      #30
                      I've seen photos of this mare Florence and she is stunning. I just love the Florestan line. As to the health issues noted in the various documents - she seems to be doing very well. As recently as June she won her class with a score of 71% ridden by the Junior Rider Jessica Krieg at Rheinisch-Meisterschafter in Germany. Here's the link - perhaps someone who speaks German can understand what level this was.
                      www.reinische-meisterschaften.de/live/070.htm
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                      • #31
                        I just wish a Judge could send CP back where he came from.
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                        • #32
                          The rocks don't want him back under them!

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Whitfield Farm Hanoverians View Post
                            I just wish a Judge could send CP back where he came from.
                            I have to say that between the negative comments about Capt Mark Phillips on the eventing board and Cesar Parra here I'm developing a complex
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                            • #34
                              Don't you wonder how Parra became a citizen so quickly ?
                              http://www.justice.gov/olc/ina340.htm
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                              • #35
                                No.

                                He's been in the US since approx 2000, and became a citizen in 2008.

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                                • #36
                                  people that have individual talents - such as artists, trainers, doctors, etc can be given the fast track to citizenship.....

                                  however, i believe new citizens are very vulnerable to being sent home if they break any laws etc... which might be why Parra is attacking his attackers.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                                    No.

                                    He's been in the US since approx 2000, and became a citizen in 2008.
                                    That is quick.
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                                    • #38
                                      Green card holders can apply for citizenship after 5 years, and "must have continuous residence in the United States as a green card holder for at least 5 years immediately preceding the date of the filing the application [for citizenship]."

                                      source: US Citizenship and Immigration Service "Path to Citizenship"

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                                      • #39
                                        Getting a green card is not swift.
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                                        • #40
                                          He is coming to the Mane Event in BC this coming weekend.
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