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  • The only thing better than eyes on the ground...

    ...is a horse who tells you when you get it right, and when you... don't.


    My guy was a bit confused about some of the lateral work, canter transitions, just generally feeling like the waters were muddy. Then finally got it... and I badly sprained my back. After months of recovery, I'm starting to ride half decently again, and it's amazing how much he's helping me! My left leg had a tendency to go dead on me as I was recovering, and I haven't fully had control of the left leg and seatbone. So today was a day of lateral work, and when I got it right he just floated sideways, and when I didn't, he didn't do much besides tense up a little.

    Pretty much no eyes on the ground could correct me as quickly as he can, and I'm SO lucky to have a horse who works with me so well, yet is so in demand of correct, precise riding.
    Originally posted by Silverbridge
    If you get anything on your Facebook feed about who is going to the Olympics in 2012 or guessing the outcome of Bush v Gore please start threads about those, too.

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    I have one of those Absolutely priceless
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    • #3
      You MUST speak of a TB lol

      You have to do it just so with those guys

      Quick reaction refine the aids to a crazy degree too!
      ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
      http://www.off-breed-dressage.blogspot.com/

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      • #4
        Yep, my old TB mare was one of those. She did as much or more to teach me to ride than any instructor or clinician. She was in her twenties when I had her and was a wise old bird. Ears would get pinned and I would get nasty sideways looks when I wasn't riding the way she thought proper...

        My current TB mare is currently engaged in refining my aids. She has decided she will no longer respond to non-independent leg aids (i.e., if one leg is pushing her sideways, she will not respond if the other leg gets in the act inadvertently). She's pretty nice about it, though, and is very willing and gracious if we get into a tight spot.

        My gelding (also a TB) will play nasty on me... failure to use the outside rein properly will result in him going right into the arena wall.

        Gotta love these horses...

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          #5
          Originally posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
          You MUST speak of a TB lol

          You have to do it just so with those guys

          Quick reaction refine the aids to a crazy degree too!
          I have a feeling my WB won't be much different once she gets going under saddle!


          I remember the day I realized my horse would not canter unless I properly lifted the inside seatbone. Which freed up the rest of me for any other cues for anything else I needed, as he responds to the seatbone immediately and correctly every time. We were playing with simple changes on a right circle yesterday to see if I could really use my left seatbone as I wanted, and sure enough it only took a few tries for me to figure out how to correctly lift it.
          Originally posted by Silverbridge
          If you get anything on your Facebook feed about who is going to the Olympics in 2012 or guessing the outcome of Bush v Gore please start threads about those, too.

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          • #6
            You are so lucky. When I give the wrong aid my gelding grunts loudly at me.

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            • #7
              I immediately completed that subject line with "...a good horse between your legs" even before I opened this thread.
              "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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              • #8
                Sounds like the smart lazy TB that will only do it right if you ask correctly. If you ask the least bit incorrectly, he can and WILL cheat!

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                • #9
                  Cheat? It's the rider's responsibility to ask correctly and help by staying balanced and with the horse.

                  To force it when the rider is wring is not only poor horsemanship, it shows an inability on the rider's part to learn to partner with their horse and create the harmony that is dressage.
                  "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                    Cheat? It's the rider's responsibility to ask correctly and help by staying balanced and with the horse.

                    To force it when the rider is wring is not only poor horsemanship, it shows an inability on the rider's part to learn to partner with their horse and create the harmony that is dressage.
                    Yep.

                    My horse was more forgiving of mistakes before he had all his buttons he has now because it was less confusing. But once he started getting more buttons... well, he hated getting things *wrong*... Definitely NOT lazy - he'll just keep motoring in a nice, forward, full of impulsion trot or canter, forward walk, whatever, if what I ask doesn't make sense rather than do something wrong. On the other hand, if I scramble my signals but they appear to be asking for something else, he will surprise me with beautiful lateral work I didn't intend to request.... Then I just give him a pat and check in with what the heck the rest of me is doing.
                    Originally posted by Silverbridge
                    If you get anything on your Facebook feed about who is going to the Olympics in 2012 or guessing the outcome of Bush v Gore please start threads about those, too.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                      To force it when the rider is wring is not only poor horsemanship, it shows an inability on the rider's part to learn to partner with their horse and create the harmony that is dressage.
                      On the other hand, a lot of people never get anywhere because they never allow themselves to do anything even the slightest bit wrong.

                      If I had waited, two years ago, until I was the rider I am today before trying stuff on for size, I never would have become the rider I am today. If today I wait until I can give half pass aids and tempi cues with the precision of a confirmed GP trainer, I will never even DO half passes or tempis. So I muddle along with a not-quite straight enough back and probably my weight not exactly where it should be and probably my horse is suffering confusion as a result. Shucks.

                      Don't assume that you are doing it "correctly" today. In the grand scheme of things you are just doing it "less right" than you will do it tomorrow. And tomorrow you will be doing it "less right" than you will do it next year.

                      May as well make peace with it.
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                        Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                        Don't assume that you are doing it "correctly" today. In the grand scheme of things you are just doing it "less right" than you will do it tomorrow. And tomorrow you will be doing it "less right" than you will do it next year.
                        But that's the beauty of riding... you're always improving, and if you are on a sensitive horse and listen to what he's telling you with his responses, you get better every day. I hope even if I were #1 in the world I would still be trying to improve. My horse makes it easy - I am becoming a far better rider than I thought I could be by now because of him, and yet every day how far I have left to go seems to grow. But it's such a fun journey!
                        Originally posted by Silverbridge
                        If you get anything on your Facebook feed about who is going to the Olympics in 2012 or guessing the outcome of Bush v Gore please start threads about those, too.

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                        • #13
                          We had an older ASB as a school horse - he was a delight to ride, but if you gave him mixed signals more than once, he quietly walked to center ring and camped out. There he stood until you got it right. He simply figured he didn't know how to canter/trot/back/halfpass all at once, so he'd wait 'til you figured out which one you wanted first.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by netg View Post
                            But that's the beauty of riding... you're always improving, and if you are on a sensitive horse and listen to what he's telling you with his responses, you get better every day. I hope even if I were #1 in the world I would still be trying to improve. My horse makes it easy - I am becoming a far better rider than I thought I could be by now because of him, and yet every day how far I have left to go seems to grow. But it's such a fun journey!
                            My point is that people (history, the world, etc, not just you) tend to view "Today" as "Doing it right." The figgy pudding model of the atom was "the right way" BEFORE, but TODAY's model is RIGHT. As if science is not going to develop our knowledge of the atom ever again.

                            So saying, "My horse listens when I do it right" indicates you think you are doing it right today, using as evidence the fact that he listened.

                            Who is to say he isn't letting you get away with with the figgy pudding?

                            ETA: Not accusing anyone of riding incorrectly. Just noting that the logic in that particular type of circle of thought tends to be "today confirming" and forget about the "figgy pudding." I ride figgy pudding all the damn time, but we still muddle on through.
                            The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
                            Jinxyhttp://tiny.cc/PIC798&http://tiny.cc/jinx364
                            Boy Wonderhttp://tiny.cc/G9290
                            The Hana is nuts! NUTS!!http://tinyurl.com/SOCRAZY

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                              #15
                              I get the point - and agree.

                              "Right" means the currently not-as-refined-as-someday aids, for sure. Better than or at least as good as yesterday, but only right for a moment in time until right improves even more.

                              But it means NOT letting me get away with the mess of yesterdays... only forward, onward, better.
                              Originally posted by Silverbridge
                              If you get anything on your Facebook feed about who is going to the Olympics in 2012 or guessing the outcome of Bush v Gore please start threads about those, too.

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                              • #16
                                I think there is a balance to be had in that.

                                There is a time to muddle through and get a feel for it and correct as you go and there are times to make sure your prep work is in order and NOT do it until that is the case.

                                Have a few bad changes? Doing more does not result in better most times as MOST changes are bad from the prep on.

                                Same with lengthening IMO and Half pass and so on.

                                You can do a few crappy ones and let it glaringly show you that the horse behind/in front/not supple/not strong and so on so that is IMO
                                ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
                                http://www.off-breed-dressage.blogspot.com/

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                                  #17
                                  I think "I'm not ready" vs "You're goofing things up" tends to be a fairly distinct difference in what response you're getting from the horse. So yes that definitely matters, but I think it comes back to paying attention to what the horse is telling you. And knowing your horse - my horse is a trier, and won't try to get away with anything, but if confused will not do what I want since he needs me to be clearer. Mom's Friesian cross is short on talent, but also a simpler ride. In general if she's not doing something, it's simply because she doesn't feel like it. It helps that she has far less training than my horse so I am typically pretty sure of myself and that she fully understands with her vs. my TB. The TB is definitely ready for more challenges and when I ask correctly enough gives me what I want. My clinics with a biomechanics instructor are a blast because with the headset and her telling me what to do, I essentially become a puppet on her vocal strings - and it's nice how well my horse can do pirouettes and all the lateral work when someone's helping me ask in a more correct and precise manner.
                                  Originally posted by Silverbridge
                                  If you get anything on your Facebook feed about who is going to the Olympics in 2012 or guessing the outcome of Bush v Gore please start threads about those, too.

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