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  • The Counted Walk

    Uses, advantages in training ?


    Please discuss.

  • #2
    The Counted Walk

    Confirms straightness and activity at the very slow walk,but most of all mise en main.For me it is a test of lightness in self carriage.

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    • #3
      Useful for horses who get lateral or pacey in the walk.
      Kathy Johnson

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      • #4
        Also useful for focusing the rider's attention to the fine details of a correct walk.

        *star*
        "Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit."
        - Desiderata, (c) Max Ehrman, 1926

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        • #5
          So why don't more teach it and practice it?

          Jean-Claude Racinet is the only one I have ever, ever seen or heard of teaching it. In fact, he has the only 'directions' I've ever found on 'how-to.'

          (He also advocates the double for flexion of the jaw, and we see where *that* has gotten me... )
          InnisFailte Pinto Sporthorses & Coloured Cobs
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          • #6
            Please can somebody educate this poor, ignorant eventer about what a counted walk is?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kaeleer View Post
              Please can somebody educate this poor, ignorant eventer about what a counted walk is?
              Me too.
              Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

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                #8
                Kaeleer/Bird...It is something I have been reading up on and it relates to the lifting of the loins/ribcage to lighten that area.

                It does appear to be a more Baroque area of training so I was wondering what the people here had to say.

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                • #9
                  Freedom, do you require a crane for this particular exercise, or is this something that can be achieved sans heavy machinery?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Kaeleer View Post
                    Freedom, do you require a crane for this particular exercise, or is this something that can be achieved sans heavy machinery?

                    As I said I am reading up on it and this is what was posted on its achievement. The following is not my post but one that was used as an explanation.

                    IN the counted walk, you suck up your seat muscles on one side only, as the back rises on that side, lightening your seat bone in the process, so left side of back rises, left buttock clenches, right side rises, right buttock clenches. Horse must be very light and attentively on the bit to achieve this too.

                    Legs work opposite to buttock clench, so left buttock clenches, right leg is closed, release as right buttock rises, and close left leg, and so on.


                    I initially was looking for information on stepping under and came across this term ( Counted walk). Just not one that I was aware of. I may have done well in showing and training myself but am always open to hearing about other ideas.

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                    • #11
                      Originally quoted by ~Freedom~ as a quote from someone else (Kaeleer/Bird):

                      IN the counted walk, you suck up your seat muscles on one side only, as the back rises on that side, lightening your seat bone in the process, so left side of back rises, left buttock clenches, right side rises, right buttock clenches. Horse must be very light and attentively on the bit to achieve this too.

                      Legs work opposite to buttock clench, so left buttock clenches, right leg is closed, release as right buttock rises, and close left leg, and so on.
                      I have never heard of the "counted walk", but from this description, I have had it taught to me by several I Judges and O Riders as, essentially, the correct way of using your seat in all gaits.

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                      • #12
                        The movement gets it's name from the way you can control *each step* of the walk, almost as if dropping water out of a dropper. It is a school walk of equisite slowness and elevation. When done correctly, the withers lift spectacularly, and the horse comes onto (into) perfect Ramener with little to no action of the reins--hence it's value.

                        Racinet teaches it by holding with the BACK and certainly says nothing about 'clenching' a 'buttock' though that may be another method, it's not one I've heard.
                        InnisFailte Pinto Sporthorses & Coloured Cobs
                        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                        Bits are like cats, what's one more? (Petstorejunkie)

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                        • #13
                          This is sort of what my trainer has been helping me with - but not so much detail re the buttocks. However - we do this both in the saddle and on the ground. We count out the beats, but I also see and feel placement (so as not to be doing "rope walking," as she calls it).

                          The way she describes it as more like a bouncing ball, with emphasis on the "up" - your goal is to use your seat to bounce the hind leg up to meet you. However - this isn't to be separated from the front end, because you are bouncing that hind leg up and through into a specific rein - so, in essence, his hind end is bringing your hands and his mouth to your seat - and then you "recycle" that energy.

                          Does that help? Or are we not talking about the same thing?
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                          • #14
                            Not quite the same thing. Counted walk is meticulously S L O W. Just at the point where the horse seems like he's going to halt, you give the back, and that is the moment where the withers rise and the penny drops, so to speak.

                            It's a very specific excercise.

                            What some folks, including DGRH are speaking of is learning to influence the walk, and collect it.

                            Counted walk is to walk what piaffe is to trot.
                            InnisFailte Pinto Sporthorses & Coloured Cobs
                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                            Bits are like cats, what's one more? (Petstorejunkie)

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                            • #15
                              The counted walk is ONE step at a time, four beats done in their very slow progression. It can correct a pace (when s.i. does not work). The walk however is not to be restrained from the hand.
                              I.D.E.A. yoda

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                              • #16
                                The Counted Walk

                                Pinto piaffe has it. Buttocks and legs are not part of the equation.This is the icing on the cake toward the school walk which we hardly ever see in these modern times.There must be perfect straightness,very good activity in the hindquarters,diagonalization of the gait,a lifted back and above all lightness exemplified by mise en main where not only is there ramener but in addition supreme relaxation of the lower jaw but together with a mellow mobilization of the tongue.Lipstick on both sides of the mouth is a result.No drooling.No dryness either.The horse must be completely decontracted and without resistance,light and balanced.The movement forward of the front feet is very measured as is the up and down movement of the hinds as they move forward in diagonalization similar to the analogy of the eye-dropper.This soon becomes an issue of self carriage, where, by definition lightness is the main ingredient.Perfect obedience in submission where the main ingredient is the activity the horse will offer.Nothing is demanded here by buttocks and legs.Courtesy and suggestion instead.The activity must be there already. Vibrations of the outside three fingers on one or both hands on a perfectly quiet seat controlled by perfectly controlled springs in the rider's back.The only reason to use leg is if the activity dies, when the fingers must open, and the the whole process restarted from anew.Once the activity dies there is no more counted walk.Or school walk for that matter.There is very little riding like this these days.Preparation before movement is seldom observed.Just lots of buttocks and legs,and hands that pull.

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                                • #17
                                  I saw Bettina Drummond do a demonstration once, where she walked a pattern in the arena, and the horse was walking with a studied grace, so controlled, each leg hesitating for a moment before setting down, in patterns like calligraphy. It was astonishing. Is that the sort of walk you mean? It wasn't a collected walk, it was almost a Spanish walk, but without the exaggerated lifting of each leg, but with that kind of "hang time".

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                                  • #18
                                    Wow. Smithywess... welcome! So beautifully put.

                                    And yes, Twofatponies, that was counted walk.
                                    InnisFailte Pinto Sporthorses & Coloured Cobs
                                    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                                    Bits are like cats, what's one more? (Petstorejunkie)

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                                    • #19
                                      The Counted Walk

                                      I think you've more than likely seen it number 17 when you describe Bettina Drummond's ride.

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                                      • #20
                                        Then I'll add that to things I'd like to learn to do one day!

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