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Bamboo stick to teach horse to lift legs?

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    Bamboo stick to teach horse to lift legs?

    Saw this training video from an area barn's website.

    Curious as to what folks think - they aren't hitting super hard, but poling was outlawed in h/j world. Also seems a bit like saddleseat - and actually, a bungee would strengthen the horses' ability to lift more, and even chains would work better if that's the goal. Wouldn't a horse avoid putting their legs up if every time they did they were hit with a bamboo cane?

    If you read the commentary about the video directly underneath it, you will find the answers to your questions.
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      I'm just a barbarian, but I always thought the push in any gait came from behind.
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        That's nothing like poling a jumper, not that a lightweight but noisy splkt bamboo pole ever seemed abusive to me anyway. Now the tacks and upside down carpet protector strips on jump rails - OUCH!!
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          Doesn't look abusive but I too don't understand why they are developing push in the front? Wouldn't developing pushing and sitting power in the backend help free the front end?


            I don't see how it is that much different from the videos on the side that teach the spanish walk and piaffe with the whip -
            When used properly it is not abusive. Although I don't really understand pushing with the front end. I think I get what they want, but maybe the horse is lacking in training.
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              Maybe to show then an easier way? But how can this help beyond that ? It doesnt keep an active piaffe and in competition I dont see how a horse would have learned to do them on spot any better.
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                I thought it ended up getting the horse to move unevenly. It looks awkward, and I'm guessing it is awkward. Why not learn to ride?


                  Maybe they just haven't heard of cavaletti ?
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                    Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                    Maybe they just haven't heard of cavaletti ?




                        Yeah.... I don't get it either, coming from a saddle seat background. Horse has got to have impulsion and support from the rider. Then the front end can lighten and free up naturally. To me the horse looks very stifled- like if he was allowed to stretch out a little and ridden with some impulsion, he actually MIGHT use himself nicely.


                          This is pretty sorry training. The horse is not in correct contact and is being restricted by the curb bit. The rider is not balancing properly and is not using her seat to lift the horse up into the collected canter. I do not view the bamboo pole used in this fairly light fashion to be abusive. Similar contact with a pole is used on the rear legs when teaching piaffe. The problem is, however, that what they are doing is not effective for any purpose that I can see. I agree with one of the previous posters who suggested more lessons in correct riding for the person on the horse.

                          I have to wonder if more of this kind of training isn't occuring and that is responsible for so many lousey canter pirouettes that are demonstrated today.


                            Originally posted by BaroquePony View Post
                            Why not learn to ride?
                            That was my thought too
                            chaque pas est fait ensemble


                              Perhaps the horse has a big reachy stride in front. They don't want that, so they would rather shorten her front, rather than rock her back.
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                                I didn't watch the video, but when we were first learning half-steps with my mare, my trainer found that my horse preferred the touch of the bamboo over the piaffe whip.

                                In my case, there is no hitting, it is touching the legs to help communicate to the horse that you want them to lift that leg.

                                We also experimented with tapping on the croup.

                                Now, I usually get the half steps without ground help. I'm sure I'll need ground help again when we advance to piaffe....and I sure can use the ground help to get more forward frequently.


                                  This is a standard technique. The bamboo is used to indicate to the horse to raise its legs. Used at SRS. Those who criticize do not understand its use.
                                  Do not confuse motion and progress. A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress.
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                                    Whatever it is ,( if the intention is to educate the horse), as practiced in the video, it looks spectacularly ineffective.


                                      Did any of you happen to watch the video of Sunset? If so, what was the contraption that was attached to the saddle and went around his rear end?
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                                        This is the trainer, using the same method, who taught her the technique:


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