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Totilas take the lead at day I German National Championships

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  • Totilas take the lead at day I German National Championships

    Watch the winning ride :


    Watch the ride that I prefer :


  • #2
    Damon Hill looks excellent! Bravo!


    • #3
      I like Totillas and give his new rider all credit, but I'm wondering at scoring. You could see the trend in scoring on the screen, which was about 80% right from the start, even with the extended trot that didn't track up and irregular steps. I also don't see how a half pass with lagging haunches or a halt without putting down a hind foot can keep it at 80%. Of course the piaffe and passage was excellent. I think the canter work was better and thought the half pass changes were text book, but there is no way two-tempis with haunches swinging left are in the 8 range, nor a canter pirouette with four strides.

      Damon Hill is such a completely different horse. Everything is so BIG and he looks to try so hard. But, despite his beautiful extensions, the errors in transitions from p/p and lack of quality and steadiness here and there is the difference. He looks like he's still learning all of this.

      If they don't want GP dressage to be all about the piaffe/passage, then the need to change the scoring and not put so much of it on p/p.


      • #4
        THANK you beenthere I was like um... Those extensions were VERY strange. Front legs went up but that was about it.

        I know he can do them, those were pretty bad.

        Agreed about the other horse too... Glad I am not seeing things
        ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~


        • #5
          I never thought I'd say this, but the Totilas ride was boring. There was no flow, no rhythm and no sense of constrained energy. everything was jerky. I used to love watching him and it's painful to see him now.

          Is it normal to ride a dressage horse so much off the curb bit?
          "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
          Thread killer Extraordinaire


          • #6
            Yeah, scoring can be strange. Sometimes I wish I were scored at the international level. If I did that ext. trot, I would get a 4. And I certainly would have been slammed for the not all four feet on the ground halt.

            It's not that I don't think that he should have won, but we need to see the low scores and the high. While you can give his p/p 9's and 10's, you still have to give him a 4-5 for the halt, because there are no other mitigating factors to bring it up. And, the trot is not correct.

            I remember WAY back when when my dead GP mare's father, Zorn, was competing, he was the freak because he trotted like that. He tracked up, but they would nail him sometimes because he had a suspension of the trot some thought not correct. Now all the biggies trot like that, but they're not nailing them when they don't track up. Briar was like that. Great horse, but if he wasn't ridden just right, it was all front feet and he didn't track up behind. I think they mostly nailed him for it, though.

            Viney--It looks to me like they pretty much have a loose curb chain on Totillas, so the bit looks like it's coming really far back. I've been playing with that on my mare--where I have some curb chain, but it seems too harsh for her, and I have basically no curb chain and am just using the pressure of the bit. I just got a comment at a show I was using "too muh curb" when I basically had no curb chain on. You can't get the bit to go that far back if you have any kind of pressure, so . . . kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't.


            • #7
              I thought he looked sore through the back or somewhere in the rear-end.

              The kicks at the leg were not a good sign.


              • #8
                Here are the scores. If you click on the blue magnifying glass on the far right, you will see the marks/movement. http://eventcontent.hippoonline.de/6...tm?style=hippo


                • #9
                  I thought Damon Hill was Brilliant - would love to see third placed Desperados. The Germans will have a strong team!


                  • #10
                    I don't really have the qualifications to comment on the technical dressage aspects, but Toto looks a little sore on the LH... maybe the hock? Compare his RH and LH when you can see both and the hock articulations are quite different. Not lame, but ouchy. And really did not like the sequence right before they went in to start the test... It didn't look like just a wound-up horse playing a little, but a horse who really, really didn't want to play the game today.
                    You have to have experiences to gain experience.

                    1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"


                    • #11

                      ok, so random thoughts: it is really interesting how much you can hide by using certain camera angles.

                      The scoring is so over inflated for this ride that it will amaze me if there inst a revolt.

                      While I think Damon Hills rides were better, and you can see he has a rock solid foundation, it has many mistakes and problems and i dont think it should be scoring that high either.

                      i Do prefer that kind of ride - where the backs swings, to the tension of what is normally winning.

                      I am very glad to hear more folks asking questions.


                      • #12
                        What I find fascinating is how a person can take a brilliant horse and make him look ho-hum. It really speaks to the exceptional talent of Edward Gal, because that horse really shined under him.

                        Best of luck to Rath ... not that I could ride him myself ... standard disclaimer ... yadda yadda.


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mbm View Post

                          ok, so random thoughts: it is really interesting how much you can hide by using certain camera angles.

                          The scoring is so over inflated for this ride that it will amaze me if there inst a revolt.

                          While I think Damon Hills rides were better, and you can see he has a rock solid foundation, it has many mistakes and problems and i dont think it should be scoring that high either.

                          i Do prefer that kind of ride - where the backs swings, to the tension of what is normally winning.

                          I am very glad to hear more folks asking questions.
                          True - but it is a NATIONAL championship - not a CDI - and all of the judges were German.

                          The scoring of the GPS was unfortunate with the judge at H (I believe H) scoring Totilas in 1st by a huge margin - all other judges had Damon Hill 1st. Were it not for the H judge, totilas would have been 3rd in the GPS.


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LarkspurCO View Post
                            Best of luck to Rath ... not that I could ride him myself ...
                            Oh, I don't know .... I'd say he'd give a civil enough piggy-back-ride.