• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Curious: is Training Level test 1 a "dud"?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Curious: is Training Level test 1 a "dud"?

    I've been perusing show results in my area, and am noticing that very few people ride T1, as opposed to T2 and T3. Something about the canter work is difficult (you pick up the canter on a circle, canter halfway up the long side, do a half-circle and come down the opposite long side.)

    My mare was still on her journey to soundness when I practiced T1 last year, and the canter parts just. did. not. work. So we went on to T2, which is similar to the old T2 but has a stretchy trot circle added. I rode T2 at a fall schooling show and it went fine, with no major bobbles and a 69.something score. For 2012, I won't bother with T1 at all; we'll do T2 and T3, and **if** things are going well at the end of the season, might try First-1.

    I really thought the problem was in me and my horse, not the T1 test itself. Now I am not so sure...

    If there are only 3 tests at a level, and one turns out to be a dud, it seems worse than where there were 4 tests at a level... because we have to live with a dud test that almost no one does for years, and there are only 2 other tests to choose from.
    You have to have experiences to gain experience.

    1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"

  • #2
    I think it has more to do with the new Intro C test. Doesn't seem to me that there is a whole lot of difference between them. So, if I had a horse that did well at Intro C, I'd skip T1 and go on to T2 and T3. And, if your schooling shows are like ours, skipping T1 means you show later and you don't have to get up at the crack of dawn!

    Comment


    • #3
      I'm definitely not a fan of the T1 test. I hate that most of it happens down at A.

      Most people here tend to do T2 and T3. Personally, I think T2 is a favorite because its pretty much the same as the old T2 with the addition of the stretch trot circle. T3 is required to qualify for our local championship shows and year-end awards.

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #4
        Originally posted by oldernewbie View Post
        I think it has more to do with the new Intro C test. Doesn't seem to me that there is a whole lot of difference between them. So, if I had a horse that did well at Intro C, I'd skip T1 and go on to T2 and T3. And, if your schooling shows are like ours, skipping T1 means you show later and you don't have to get up at the crack of dawn!
        I don't really agree... There is a LOT more canter in T1, while Intro C (which I've also shown) has less than one circle in each direction. In T1 you start the canter in the second half of a 20 meter circle, go down the long side to either B or E, and then make a half circle from B to E or E to B, only coming out of canter when you're back on the straight.

        This is more specific to my particular horse (who used to be a canter all day sort until her injuries), but the switches from curve to straight to curve to straight caused problems.

        BUT OTOH... I am seeing 2 to 3 times as many people entered in T2 as T1 at most shows.
        You have to have experiences to gain experience.

        1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"

        Comment


        • #5
          Intro C just judges and tests the transition into and out of the canter not the canter itself. T1 actually tests the canter and the geometry of the canter. There is a lot more canter and you canter 2 half circles. BUT I think the FEEL is similar between C and T1 (and to some, awkward) because you enter the canter on a circle started in the trot. I think that feels weird to people.

          That is my guess.

          Frankly, in my area, training level riders that just pick 2 tests tend to skirt T3 which when I ride Training level, that is my favorite test. I love the loops - I love the canter trot transition at X.

          I was looking through the intro tests and intro C really is a step towards training. T3 is a step towards first. I like this.

          Comment


          • #6
            Not having many people in the class could also have to do with point chasing. T1 usually doesn't count for year ends, while T2 and T3 help to qualify for things like GMO Championships.

            Comment


            • #7
              I liked T1 but I never bothered with Intro. For me, I did T1 and T3 last year. If I started with intro, I may have went straight to T2. Perhaps that's the reason most skip it.

              Comment


              • #8
                Last year I rode T1, T2, and T3 at my GMO's schooling shows.

                I would have skipped T1 altogether, but I rode it because in T2 and T3, canter is a coefficient of 2. Last summer my horse was still having balance issues at the canter, so we were able to get higher scores by riding T1. The canter departs in T1 also have more leeway than T2 and T3 -- "Developing x lead canter 2nd half of circle" is more forgiving than "between A and K".

                So it does have a purpose. I didn't think I would like it at first but the more I rode it throughout the season, the more i was able to appreciate why it was written the way it is.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Having a youngster that did Intro A-C, T1, and T2 last year, I found T1 to be very pleasant, and did not like IntroC at all. But our issue was the canter transition, not the canter itself, so the extra time that you get in T1 for the transition to the canter was very nice.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I am doing T-1 and T-2 at a schooling show on the 18th. I guess ignorance is bliss, because I picked them thinking they would be the easiest of the tests. I assumed they are progressively harder going from 1 to 3. I've practiced T-1 in a very small arena, and didn't find it difficult at all. In fact, with my horse being green and unbalanced at the canter, it's easier for me to pick up the canter in a circle, using the bend to encourage him coming from behind into the transition. I'm nervous about doing it in a large arena at the show, I'm afraid he's going to feel the "freedom" and canter like a maniac--LOL!

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      good timing for this question for me! I have been bringing along a Fjord mare (11, started under saddle at 7)... she has spent three yrs as a therapy horse doing mostly walk and trot work with the occasional canter w/ an instructor.
                      Balance in canter pretty non-existent initially - although she would try hard. I rode the Intro C and T1 for an on farm schooling show after working with her for 4 months. I knew T1 would be a challenge! Intro C fine, T1 - the picking up canter in the 2nd 1/2 of circle is fine, but, ack - the canter down the long side then 1/2 circle was a struggle.

                      I then started practicing T2 which was easier for her. We have since Nov taken a break from schooling tests totally, done some pole work and a little jumping. Last night, I had the ring to myself and thought "let's run through T1" and see if her strength and balance have improved enough to make it easier.

                      answer - YES! was very pleasant to ride! and now that I can tell how it *should* feel, I give her even more cred for trying for me last fall.

                      I still am not sure whether we'll try T2 or T1 though at our initial foray later this spring.... a few months yet to decide!

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        EMBRACE THE CHALLENGES! =)

                        Someone said somewhere - I read this - that T1 was designed to have most movements at A on purpose. That makes the rider and horse supposedly more relaxed to be away from the judge.

                        I like that each test has its own unique challenges. I do think that the starting of the canter in the middle of the circle is a challenge for a green rider. But you are on a bend on a circle so technically, it should be easier if you really think about your geometry. You just dont have a corner to help you out. But I think that in some ways, this makes the new T1 more true to the level than the old T1.

                        For the half circle, straight on rail and then half circle, if you keep a little more bend than normal down the rail and really sit up, it rides well.

                        GOOD thing - when a test has challenges - as you master those challenges, you will out perform your competitors. To me, the better I ride each test, the better I see our training is going. So I actually have been real positive about the new tests.

                        T1 in the past felt like a warmup not a test.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LaraNSpeedy View Post
                          Someone said somewhere - I read this - that T1 was designed to have most movements at A on purpose. That makes the rider and horse supposedly more relaxed to be away from the judge.
                          Yeah, I was just thinking how advantageous this is going to be for US! My horse didn't want to go NEAR the judge's box at the last show we went to--LOL!

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by xQHDQ View Post
                            Not having many people in the class could also have to do with point chasing. T1 usually doesn't count for year ends, while T2 and T3 help to qualify for things like GMO Championships.
                            That's what's happening at the shows I attend. Intro C and T1 are grouped as a "division" for year-end awards. T2 and T3 are a different division. Hardly anyone is really at "intro" level so everyone seems to just start off in T2/T3.
                            ~Veronica
                            "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
                            http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by WBLover View Post
                              Yeah, I was just thinking how advantageous this is going to be for US! My horse didn't want to go NEAR the judge's box at the last show we went to--LOL!
                              ... and my horse wants to LEAVE at A which is why I hate T-1. LOL!

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
                                That's what's happening at the shows I attend. Intro C and T1 are grouped as a "division" for year-end awards. T2 and T3 are a different division. Hardly anyone is really at "intro" level so everyone seems to just start off in T2/T3.
                                Interesting. Our local chapter still breaks out the divisions for Intro. and Training Level.

                                For Intro. Level, Test C is not required for year-end awards - only Tests A and B. As a result, many people don't seem to bother with Intro. C.

                                For Training Level, you can do T-1, T-2 or T-3. T-3 is the only required test for year-end awards. So, folks tend to do a combination of tests - although T-1 still isn't very popular.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  In our GMO, Intro is Intro and Training is Training for the divisions, doesn't matter which tests of the levels you use for your averages either.

                                  Comment

                                  • Original Poster

                                    #18
                                    Our GMO groups things the same way.

                                    At the second show we did last fall, I did Intro C and T2. Wanted to try the canter in a "brief" version because cantering was still an issue for the mare. She did fine, so we went on to T2, where she also did fine.

                                    And yes, having a lot of work at A, away from the judge's box, gives an opening -- literally -- for those horses who might try to sneak out of the ring! Mine isn't one of them, but still. OTOH, sneaking out of the ring would be less alarming than a big spook at or near C...
                                    You have to have experiences to gain experience.

                                    1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      There may be some pony club influence too, although IIRC it's T1 and T3 they do.
                                      ~Veronica
                                      "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
                                      http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        OK, so I'm entered in a schooling show on Saturday and we just got our ride times, if you thought T1 was a "dud" test that nobody wants to ride:

                                        20 entries for T1
                                        19 entries for T2
                                        12 entries for T3

                                        So, I guess it's gaining popularity--LOL! I'm in T1 and T2--wish me luck!

                                        This show is going from 7:30am to 11:00PM!!! WOW!! It's going to be a LONG day for the poor judge. I can't believe how big it is for being in the dead of winter.

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X