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i ride 1x a week, trainer rides 5x, and i show

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  • #41
    back when

    Back when I was actually able to get regular lessons, I wouldn't have minded if the instructor got on every so often to work on something. She never did but it did force me to learn how to work through our problems. She did have an interesting perspective though. She bred my horse and competed her sire prior to loosing him to colic. Every so often during a lesson she'd say "her father used to do that and here's how you handle it." Whatever she told me always worked too.
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    • #42
      It is what it is.

      --Many people who have demanding jobs just don't have the luxury of time to ride their own horses every day.

      --and if you are a learning rider and not a trainer, and you can afford it, why wouldn't you have a trainer school them? Especially if you have a huge financial investment in your horse or horses?


      slc, you think that by asking this question you have got some kind of scientific evidence that this does not happen frequently. First, if people do not have time to ride, then they probably do not have the time to chat on BBs all day. So your sample is skewed. Secondly, I can't tell you the number of people that I hear say "I ride every day." Then when you board with them, you see that they only ride when all of the stars are perfectly aligned. There are a lot of delusional people who own horses--and that is great because it keeps people like me in business. I am not knocking it.

      Fair, schmare. Life isn't fair.
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      • #43
        Out of twelve instructors that I've worked with over the years, only three have ever gotten on my horse. And that, very rarely - maybe six occasions, in twenty years of riding. These were with horses that had difficult issues and the instructor wanted to feel for themselves what was going on.

        Otherwise, it is all up to me...most of the time I like it that way - sometimes I do wish the instructor would ride my horse just so I can see them being ridden more nicely than I can do; to see what they are capable of, given a better rider.

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        • #44
          I am with Hazelnut. there is no way I could show effectively if I have been off a horse for 3-4 days ahead of time. I am an AA showing at FEI. I have to travel a lot for work during the winter, so when I can't get to the barn, my trainer rides my horses. But if I am showing, I have to ride at least four consecutive days before hand. Otherwise my timing, suppleness, feel and confidence is not at as good as it could be. Showing is so expensive. I don't want to do it if I can't at least prepare myself to give a good representation at the show of where we are in our training.

          I know there are riders who have trainers ride their horses right up until the day before or even the middle of the warm up for the class and then they get on and go in the arena. If that works for them, fine, that's their choice. It doesn't work for me..... nor, actually, would I want it to.

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          • #45
            WHY are you riding only once per week? It seems to me that the only ones profiting from your arrangement is your trainer and your horse. If YOU want to improve, you should be riding your horse more.

            If I had a horse the trainer had to get on 5X per week to make it go well, I would conclude it was not the right horse for me and get rid of it.

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              #46
              Horsepower, I don't follow this schedule, I was asking who does.

              And I stated, I think this is actually not a very typical arrangement.

              In reference to qualification, some had mentioned that some people 'cheat' by riding 1x a week and having a trainer ride 5x a week, and then go to a show and beat everyone who 'actually worked for it'. And how unfair that is.

              It's so unfair that others get more help, have a better horse, etc, etc, etc. We hear SO many complaints here about the person who is perceived as having an 'easy ride'.

              WHO has an 'easy ride'? Why anyone other than me and thee!

              Not only is having a trainer ride your horse not an easy ride, it's actually a very DIFFICULT ride.

              And when you ride infrequently there is a great deal of pressure when you do. It's physically and mentally MUCH more difficult this way.

              MOST people could not stand having every time they ride, be one in which a trainer is pushing them very hard to be correct, and the HORSE is even saying, 'Nope, not gonna do it; ask like the trainer does, then I'll do it'.

              I don't think such an arrangement is typical, either. Many will say, 'Oh yeah, Bettie, that *****, SHE does that, that's why she beats me, the *****'.

              Nor do I think it really makes people win.

              Dressage is completely unlike saddle seat or hunter/jumper in that the way the current rider rides, has much more to do with the performance in a competition than the previous training.

              I have seen people get on a horse with the best training in the world - the most classical, top trainer that ever lived according to some (theorodescu) and go in a show and just TANK. completely. it doesn't really buy you all that much that the horse has all this training. It might in other divisions where there is more of a routine.

              But people simply do NOT really succeed all that blazingly well having a trainer get on the horse. Perhaps they do well enough to make some local rail jockey jealous....but truly, If anything, it makes the horse MORE of a smartass, and HARDER to ride.
              I also think that having the trainer get on one's horse - AT ALL - makes one's job much, much harder.

              I think there are times when it really helps, such as the 'blind leading the blind' situation where the student doesn't know much dressage and neither does the horse.

              Also when the rider is afraid of the horse.

              Also when the student is just floundering and not getting anywhere. And when the student has health issues and just has days when they can't do anything at all (raises hand).

              Also when the rider can't ride every day. Everyone's life is not so simple that they can just ride every day.

              Some people go thru periods of their life when they just can't - these arrangements with a trainer are better than quitting riding, and can actually benefit. One of my friends has a special needs child that needs therapy daily, another has elderly parents that she has no other choice but to take care of every day.

              Do I feel jealous or 'cheated' when I go in a show and someone beats me who gets their trainer to ride their horse more than I do?

              No.

              Showing is showing. How people place is due to many factors. I'm a lot more concerned about how I score, and how it compares to my last score.

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              • #47
                I didn't realize until after I posted that your question was theoretical. I still don't think it is a good idea for someone to ride only 1x per week with the trainer doing all the rest. I find I need to ride at least 3x in a week to feel like my form is correct and the horse moving the way I like. I have never had a problem with a trainer getting on my horse to show me or the horse something. I always like a trainer to get on if there is a problem so they can see what I am dealing with and then know what I need to do to fix it. Sometimes, trainers have commented they didn't really know what I was dealing with (as far as how hard the fix) until they got on the horse and felt it for themselves. But I have learned over the years that if it is a horse the trainer needs to ride more than me, then it is simply too much horse for me and I don't progress.

                As far as what others do before they show a horse, that is their option and I never mind what anyone else is doing. People are entitled to pay as much as they want for a horse and training. I never begrudge anyone what they have paid. But that's me. I've always thought looking over one's shoulder at what the next guy is doing is a waste of time and emotion. It usually comes down to envy and I think envy is a wasteful emotion and I try hard to avoid it!

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                  #48
                  A person needs to ride at least 3x a week just to stay in physical condition, forget even having a feel or knowing whether your butt's hanging off the left side of the saddle or not, just so they can get up there and not have a heart attack

                  I never said this was ideal in any way, shape or form.

                  But if a person were riding ANOTHER horse 5 x a week, I STILL think some people would complain. DQ'itis.

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                  • #49
                    I don't see how the person riding 1x/week is going to progress beyond a certain point, though, no matter how great their horse is. Unless they are just super talented- in that way, life is terribly unfair!

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                    • #50
                      I don't have a problem with someone having that situation per se. I mean, who doesn't want to get on a schoolmaster? The problem with riding once a week is that you're not fit enough to safely handle a horse. I was stewarding at a large show today, and almost stopped a competitor for this very reason. She was totally and completely unbalanced on her horse at the trot, he looked unsound because of it. (I almost stopped her because he looked so off) Not that she is taking part in your scenario, but it was a fine example of an unfit rider. Shows tend to be stressful environments, I would consider it more dangerous to be mounting an unfit person on a horse that they were riding only once a week. Just speaking personally, I would not choose that option because I want to know how to ride/train my horse up myself. Plus I can't afford it. LOL. Anyway, in my experience, the people who have entered into that type of situation are not the type to get on a public bb and tell everyone about it.
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