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  • #21
    If you pay for it, it's fair.
    sad but true.

    just like...I have to ride my self made horse and you get to ride your 100K import GP Master in 2nd level against me.

    again, Fair.
    sad but true.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Trixie's mom View Post
      shouldn't a trainer ride an amateur's horse regularly to make sure the instruction is effective?
      no- not always he/she is there to teach and trian you to ride only gets on if you havent grasped what hes saying
      in uk less likely a trianer would get on to do your horse, far better you stay on it and learn with it--

      a good trianer with proven background can see if the instructions working from the ground
      you cant expect your trianer to get and fix your horse for you when an error has occured

      for one thing you wont learn how to ride through the error or correct it.
      an instructor can get on a horse and ride correctly and teach it in the proper manner. but thats not doing you and the horse any good the horse isnt silly if they have your no they will use it every single time if you let them

      and you can stuff as many people as you like on the horse, but if thats fault to do with your riding which i have to say most are. as it never the horse as the horse takess his q's from us
      then when you get back on guess what the horse will try and pull that same no again and again agian- until you - twig or get into your brain what your instructor is asking of you

      they will only get on if asked to, which is rare as i have been to loads of clinics and lessons if explained well and you have understood what they saying then they need not get on
      like i said they on the ground they can see

      if however and its a bad error the bes thing you can do is stop, and take a walk if in any doubts with a horse bring it back to a walk---dont continue as you will confuse the horse with unclear signals

      confusion - doubts-- hestations- to ahorse are ones of fear in his mind--so he will spook or nap etc
      when ridden-- as you have perfromed an unclear signal-

      always be positive-- confindent- the horse looks for that in you as a rider


      slc2 i ride everyday when weather good and light inevening as it now till at least october then it depends after that sometimes i iuse the school up the road and at week ends
      i dont over school by working my horses in the areana- i can the same when out in a much more realxed atmostphere -so i hack out sometimes for an 1hr sometimes up to 4hours and if i show its all day.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by slc2 View Post
        I'm beginning to think these people are like all the lost left mittens in the universe. Everyone says there's so many of them, but no one is one of them, and no one knows where they are.
        I went hunting for work gloves in the garage last evening and found 4 left gloves and no right gloves....

        anywho... I ride my mare several times a week, though trying to capture more time for riding. I take one lesson a week and occasionally my instructor gets on my mare for the last 10 minutes of the lesson to work on something we're working towards for the future. Funny, I always thought it was my job to warm up my horse and get her working smoothly for my lesson. Just a different perspective.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by slc2 View Post
          I'm beginning to think these people are like all the lost left mittens in the universe. Everyone says there's so many of them, but no one is one of them, and no one knows where they are.
          Oh, I know where they are, at a barn down the road from me.

          Kid once had her trainer ride her horse several times in one day, the day of a major JYR competition, because he was too "fresh," hopped on for the test, and won the whole dang thing. Sad, but true.

          That's not the only time or kid either, happens with all of her students. But they do pretty well, and they get what they pay for I guess. I can't fault them for wanting success, but I sure do hope they learn the basics if they ever want to teach.

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          • #25
            stink...that's interesting...especially because my coach is british, trained in England and France...she gets on Trixie regularly without being asked.

            and i'm not talking about a horse being nappy or rotten...more like when my mare gets confused...claire will hop on and make sure she is understanding the exercise and i'm not missing something in teh communication between claire and myself.

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            • #26
              I get my trainer on my horse once a week.
              He's green, I'm green. i'm sure the two of us, without her intervention, would kill each other
              also i really like seeing my horse ridden by someone who knows what the heck they are doing. not only is it a learning experience for me to watch what she does, but I love seeing how much talent my boy has when he has someone on board who knows what the heck she's doing!

              I don't think I'd like having my trainer get on 5-6 times, and then me just go for a show. I mean, it'd be a novelty once, and I'd probably enjoy it, but then after that, any achievement that I got wouldn't feel really special...
              In my opinion, a horse is the animal to have. 1300 pounds of raw muscle, power, grace, and sweat between your legs - it's something you just can't get from a pet hamster.

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              • #27
                I definitely know of one who USED to ride 3 or 4 times, a week. Now, to my understanding, she rides only on weekends. The rest of the time the trainer rides and usually shows as well. Rider has shown some.

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                • #28
                  Not quite, but what I think may be the usual working person's saga. I ride my 6 year old 2-3x per week, trainer rides 3x per week, and most of the time the trainer shows him because I can't get away from work. That's both jumping and dressage.

                  I frequently work 60-80 or more hours per week and travel internationally. There's no way I could have horses and keep them going without having a good trainer. Plus, she's the pro, not me, and she's the one who can and has trained him from walk-trot-canter to jumping around a course.

                  That said, my trainer doesn't jump on the horse to "fix him" everytime he puts a foot wrong. If we're in a lesson and have an issue, it's up to me to ride through it, with her instruction.

                  I don't feel any shame for having a trainer on him, nor do I think I or anyone else should. To me, I'm doing the best thing for him by making sure he has a good learning experience and is given a clear understanding of what he is being asked to learn and to do.
                  "I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but why is it that a woman will forgive homicidal behavior in a horse, yet be highly critical of a man for leaving the toilet seat up?" Dave Barry

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                  • #29
                    Well I average at least 50 hours a week with my full-time job. I also have 4 horses to ride/train and another 4 who round out the 8 total who get fed/watered and taken care of daily. My riding instructor is exactly that and she comes here once a week or I go there, sometimes receiving 2-3 lessons on my various beasts. In between I ride and ride and ride and ride. Mon & Tues evenings I ride 3 horses. I work late on Wed & Fri so I do not usually ride but while it's summer my kids ride 2-3 horses in the AM before I go to work (that's when I do my pilates & yoga work-outs). Thursdays are my "day off" so I ride all 4. I ride Saturdays though I work every other Saturday; so, some Saturdays I ride at night and some I ride in the morning usually all 4. On Sundays I ride all 4 again. So those of mine under saddle get ridden at least a minimum of 4 times a week and some get ridden 5 times a week. I have those ranging from intro/training level to fourth/Prix St. George. My riding instructor has only climbed aboard 2 of them, the number of times I can count on one hand. That is what works for me and how I prefer it. I could sell a few and keep 2 and put them in full-time training but that is not why I do this.

                    As for who fits the OP's description and "where are they?" well I know of one personally. She is getting frustrated because her trainer prefers that she stick to the schedule and not try to ride more than once a week. This individual's trainer is usually in tears at the end of their once a week lesson. I get the idea that the owner isn't going to be getting more time on her mare anytime soon. She is planning on showing her mare again at the next recognized dressage show. I am told that there are a handful of others at the same barn who ride their horses only twice a week and the trainer rides them the remainder of the time. These individuals do show. The majority of people I know with their horses "in training" who also show usually ride 2-3 times a week with the trainer riding the rest of the time. Some of them work during the week and others do not.
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                    • #30
                      We have a client who has only been able to ride on weekends and the occasional weekday for a few years now. We ride his horse anywhere from 3-5 days a week. He events, and has done well at novice (including a win) and probably would have done well at training if it weren't for lameness issues. I don't think it works for everyone, especially in eventing, but he has a fantastic horse that does his job, the rider himself has a great natural eye and is bold as brass, and the short comings in the dressage we make up for by keeping the horse very tuned up and schooled. Ideal? No, not really. But it has been working.

                      Everyone is very excited, though, that we will be moving closer to this particular client, which means LOTS more riding for him! I think we will see a huge jump in improvement once that happens.
                      Amanda

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                      • #31
                        Most people I know who show ride 3-5 times a week and take a lesson once a week. Trainer only gets on if the rider really gets stuck.

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                        • #32
                          I"m with Portia on this one. I think it's just a matter of DQitis to be worried about something like this. For one thigk it's common in hunters and jumpers (I had several student s in nthis boat when I was traingin and coaching hunters). Another, it's commmon in higher end horses to be owned but not rideden by owner,
                          So if owner can only ride 1x 2x a week, waht is it to anyone else??



                          sorry for typos, really messed up my neck.. think I'd better go step off till I can ytype again LOL

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                          • #33
                            I think it is much more common in the high end world (most of us don't reside in that world) - and in breed shows! I know plenty of Arab and Morgan people who may go weeks without riding, then meet the trainer and horse at the show and get on for the AA classes.

                            Personally - I FINALLY scraped up the funds to put my stallion in training for a while - I still ride him twice weekly, but my trainer rides him 3 times. And it makes a HUGE difference, there is a reason SHE is the trainer
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                            • #34
                              Sometimes I am that person...

                              Usually I take 2-3 lessons a week, my trainer rides one day a week, and I ride alone any remaining days.

                              But I do work half time, have a 2 yo daughter, a husband frequently in Iraq, so sometimes life gets in the way and my trainer will ride all week. If this happens just before a show I've already paid for, so be it. He's not an easy horse to ride at a show regardless of who has put the mileage on him in the recent past.

                              Do I think this is cheating? Heck, no. It's called a TEAM approach
                              From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.

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                              • #35
                                I was a working student at a barn where all the clients were like this.

                                Difference? They paid the trainer to ride their fancy imports and since they were never around, and didn't know better, the trainer was having me do it. I got to ride some pretty nice horses but had a problem with the ethics. There were at least 13 boarders at the barn that never came around but had horses in full training usually being ridden without supervision by me. Hope I didn't do any damage, though I'm sure, again, they would we none the wiser.

                                Those fancy non involved horse owners are simply not engaged enough to be sitting around reading the BB since they apparently don't even have enough time to ride unless at a show.

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                                • #36
                                  Oh my goodness. There is no way I could ride once a week and show. I need to ride consistently and try to ride 5 days a week.

                                  Buy the horse you want and can afford. Cheating? I don't think so. If a person can ride well enough to ride only when they show...more power to them.

                                  Paying dues = hard work.


                                  The horse will always out the rider - mine does.

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                                  • #37
                                    I really think that trainers schooling horses for clients often is nothing to be ashamed or looked down upon! Trainers can fix problems creeping in, keep progress going with both the rider and horse. Young horses may need some strong guidence to show them new concepts, movements and schoolmasters often need tuning up to keep them in the schoolmaster mode (meaning being able to teach the rider/owner how to do things not falling into bad habits that the owner/rider maybe allowing or asking for inadvertedly).
                                    AA's might be able to do it without their trainers help on the horse, but why waste time, money and frustration if there is a slightly easier and better way.
                                    There are many Pros have there coaches on their own horses now and again, some even send them to other trainers known for being really good at certain things liek flying changes or piaffe, in order, to help the horse, and themselves. I'd certainly have more to say about that than an AA who does this for pleasure (it is supposed to be fun!) and wants some help!!!!

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by merrygoround View Post
                                      Never was, never will be, the way I'd like to do things.

                                      I'd feel lke an imposter.
                                      with you on that one...I guess Slick was feeling a bit creative and came up with a new scenario...actually I know noone in our dressage community that does this- I know a few H/J riders that do- but mainly because the horse is 'made' the trainer 'maintains it' and the owner can only ride on weekends and shows then as well.....
                                      "the man mite be the head but the woman is the neck and the neck can turn the head any way she wants..." -smart greek woman

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                                      • #39
                                        I want to ride more than once a week, so no Im not one of the riders mentioned in the OP. I also cant afford for a trainer to ride my horse 5 days a week. Even if I could afford it, I wouldnt do it, Id take more lessons

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by Trixie's mom View Post
                                          stink...that's interesting...especially because my coach is british, trained in England and France...she gets on Trixie regularly without being asked.

                                          and i'm not talking about a horse being nappy or rotten...more like when my mare gets confused...claire will hop on and make sure she is understanding the exercise and i'm not missing something in teh communication between claire and myself.
                                          some like to if they like your horse and think a lot of it, iam not saying everyone iam speaking in general,
                                          and for us most people that have livieries have grooms that ride the horses for the clients
                                          if however it a proper trianer most would rather work with you, so you can understand your horse

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