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Help me maximize conditioning in this DEEP footing please?

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  • Help me maximize conditioning in this DEEP footing please?

    I figured I would post this on the dressage forum since y'all know a lot about footing & movement.

    My mostly-retired 23 y/o TB gelding and I have recently moved to a QH barn that has an indoor. They do roping and barrel racing, so they keep the footing in there *very* deep... deeper than I've ever seen, it's got to be 5" and maybe 6". Footing is river sand.

    Now, I'm cognizant of the potential for ligament injuries in footing like this, so we've been taking it very slowly. I start by just walking in there on a loose rein for 15-20 mins, with some nice relaxed half-arena circles and 3-loop serpentines, then asking him to flex at the walk and trot down each long side, walking the short sides.

    HRH Avery (who was felled from an H/J career by ringbone) is pretty good at telling me how much he can do at any given time, and I'm pretty good at listening.

    I certainly don't have any performance-oriented goals in mind for this old guy, other than just building up his back and leg muscles and maybe getting him fit enough to go on trail rides that last a little longer than 20 minutes!

    But would you say that my routine is safe enough for an older horse in wicked deep footing? And more importantly, how much MORE can I safely do?

    HRH has given me to understand that he really feels pretty good in there and would like to do more than I'm asking him for. Worth noting that if turned out in it by himself he'll gallop all over the place and give the QH a run for their money on the sliding stops!

    Advice appreciated!
    "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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    It's really not ideal to ride in footing that deep, but as long as you are proceeding cautiously your horse will acclimate to it enough to keep safe with moderate exercise. Just slowly build the amount of time you're working, and always increase time before you increase the difficulty of the exercise so targeted muscles have time to adjust.

    He's likely feeling better because the deep cushion is lessening the impact on his ringbone.

    FWIW, I wouldn't let him gallop around and slide with the QH until AFTER he's already pretty fit. He can damage his tendons/ligaments just as easily with you off him as he can with you on.
    Patience pays.

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    • #3
      if his foot is sinking in more than an inch, i would stay out of it.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Melissa.Hare.Jones View Post
        always increase time before you increase the difficulty of the exercise so targeted muscles have time to adjust.
        [QUOTE]Ahh, THANK YOU, Melissa, that's exactly the kind of advice I was hoping for!

        He's likely feeling better because the deep cushion is lessening the impact on his ringbone.
        Yepyepyep. That, and the best farrier I've had in ages and AGES, have got the old boy "sounder" (quotation marks emphasized) than he has been in the 9 years I've had him. This is the horse I trained for carriage driving b/c it was low-impact on bone & high-impact on muscle, and he ended up getting really quite fit, just *walking* pulling the cart. I'm kind of thinking this footing, if I'm smart enough to use it for what it is (as opposed to griping about what it's not!), may have a similar effect.

        FWIW, I wouldn't let him gallop around and slide with the QH until AFTER he's already pretty fit. He can damage his tendons/ligaments just as easily with you off him as he can with you on.
        No word of a lie!! Trust me, we knocked that on the head after he did it twice. Sure was fun to watch him gallop and buck though! He's a *very* large horse, and he scared the cowboys so bad they wouldn't go NEAR him for a month!

        If anyone has specific exercises for building up back muscles in this kind of environment, I'd be grateful. Bearing in mind that historically w/ this horse, any kind of lateral work or too-tight circle work is usually too much for him.

        Thanks again!
        "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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        • #5
          I wouldn't even think of lateral work, even in the future. I think some straight forward trots on a long rein, encouraging him to stretch forward and down, will help with those back muscles.

          You're wise to worry about that footing. I'd keep my eye out for a better footed situation.
          Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

          Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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          • #6
            How about some good support boots. SMB's and the like will offer some support for the tendons and ligaments, though it wouldn't eliminate the risks, it might help him out.
            Strengthening his back must come from an active forward gait, and the horse pushing into the bridle seeking contact.

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              Happy Feet, yep, just dug the SMBs out of the tack trunk. Up until now I've only been wrapping (we've only been in there a couple of times), but that seems like a good idea to me, too.

              So consensus is, just walking & trotting on straight lines, pretty much as I've been doing?

              Thanks again for the help!
              "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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              • #8
                Don't be lulled into a false sense of security with any kind of boot. Studies have shown that none of them, including polo wraps, really provide "support" just protection from knocks.

                Personally, I'd rather ride in shallow footing than take a chance on deep footing. I'd ride outside and skip the indoor, if you don't want to risk your horse.
                "Dreams are the touchstone of our characters." Henry David Thoreau
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                  Originally posted by Touchstone Farm View Post
                  Don't be lulled into a false sense of security with any kind of boot. Studies have shown that none of them, including polo wraps, really provide "support" just protection from knocks.

                  Personally, I'd rather ride in shallow footing than take a chance on deep footing. I'd ride outside and skip the indoor, if you don't want to risk your horse.
                  True re the boots, I've seen such studies myself - OTOH at one point a few years ago, my lameness specialist vet actually *recommended* them for him for (brief periods of) turnout, so I kinda tend to go with the vet's rec. I'm funny like that.

                  I'm not defending the footing in the least - it IS too deep to do anything seriously dressagey or H/J-like in. But (a) we're unserious and restricted to slow work anyhoo, and (b) OTOH 30 horses at this barn do get worked in there 3-4 times a week, doing far more strenuous work than we are, so it does seem to me that IF one takes it slowly and carefully, and builds up to it, there's an opportunity - as I stated previously - to use this footing for what it IS rather than b*tch at it for what it's not! I tend to view it as a potential conditioning tool which happens to suit my horse REALLY well - since it's low impact on bone and high impact on muscle, i.e., the tendons and ligaments, which are exactly what he NEEDS to build up. I think, used with caution, it may yield some satisfactory results, for my purposes, which aren't necessarily very dressagey.

                  Thanks again for the help!
                  "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Touchstone Farm View Post
                    Don't be lulled into a false sense of security with any kind of boot. Studies have shown that none of them, including polo wraps, really provide "support" just protection from knocks.

                    Personally, I'd rather ride in shallow footing than take a chance on deep footing. I'd ride outside and skip the indoor, if you don't want to risk your horse.
                    Re: the boots. Accurate.
                    Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                    Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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                    • #11
                      Such deep footing I would only walk. If the horse is mostly retired, various exercises in walk will be sufficient.

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                      • #12
                        I wouldn't ride him in deep footing. Its very hard on tendons and ligaments. You're working on making the horse sore, not stronger. Its not worth trying. Why would you?
                        Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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                        • #13
                          While I agree with other posters re: deep footing...why doesn't it make the QH's lame???

                          I've often wondered that when I struggle to walk thru an arena used for western disciplines....

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                          • #14
                            It does.

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                            • #15
                              I would not ride in footing that was 5 or 6 inches deep. Not worth it.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Mozart View Post
                                While I agree with other posters re: deep footing...why doesn't it make the QH's lame???
                                How could you tell ??
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                                • #17
                                  Many barrel racers actually use deep footing at home to prepare for shows. The way I was taught was that if you work slowly and correctly in this footing, they will build up their muscles and if they can run in the deep sand, they'll run even faster in better footing. Personally, for my barrel racer, I do have sand at home, but not as deep as you say yours is. I'd watch out, I run in deep sand at the local shows and too many horses slip doing regular flat classes.
                                  To be loved by a horse, or by any animal, should fill us with awe-
                                  for we have not deserved it.
                                  Marion Garretty

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                                  • #18
                                    I think it would be unwise to do much in this footing with a

                                    " mostly-retired 23 y/o TB gelding "

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                                    • #19
                                      I boarded at a facility where the footing was too deep. I knew it was too deep so I took it slowly. Now I have a 12 year old pasture ornament. Pulled the deep digital flexor tendon. Hindsight is 20/20.

                                      I would only walk. Actually, I would move.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by War Admiral View Post
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                                        I certainly don't have any performance-oriented goals in mind for this old guy, other than just building up his back and leg muscles and maybe getting him fit enough to go on trail rides that last a little longer than 20 minutes!
                                        If you want to get him fit for more than 20-minutes trail rides, start taking him him out for 25-minute trail rides ... then 30-minutes trial rides ...

                                        I think you get the picture. But I'd stay out of that arena. Not worth the risk.
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