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Crooked young horse... Experiences or advice? EDIT: NEW VIDEO FROM LESSON TODAY! #26

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  • #21
    Farrier. I came across the same problem and it was the farrier 'fault'.

    The horse used to be perfectly fine with farrier A. Change for farrier B for X reason. Horse started to interfere and move like yours sideways style, over a time of 3 shoeing sessions.

    The vet came. Told me to remove the shoes and have another farrier. Came back with original farrier A. Everything came back to normal after 3-4 shoeing sessions. Damn!

    Yes she needs not to rush. Yes she needs more muscles and working slower from behind and faster from the front. Massage therapist, vet, chiro and all but I would look first at her hooves.
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      #22
      Made some progress today!

      So I just came in from my ride and it was still a little frustrating, but so much better! I slowed the tempo significantly and focused on riding her left hind up and under her.

      Another effect of her consistent trailing of the hind-end to the left has been some stiffness when asked to move laterally with her left hind. Here is a picture that shows her tracking straighter and, resultantly, in a much more uphill carriage:

      http://imgur.com/WguWS

      The tempo was so much nicer and she started to carry herself a little bit more behind.

      She is just such a sweet and fun horse. I am so lucky! Trying not to ruin her on such a TIGHT budget is making me kind of a nervous wreck. Hopefully I will find a mutually beneficial working student gig very soon.

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      • #23
        I have a young mare (similar breeding btw), she is a big mover too. She injured herself in a turn out just about a year ago. She was laid up for several months and given the OK to return to work. She'd been fine for a few weeks then start shifting her weight similarly. We could not find any issue on xray or ultrasound. Finally, I had a chiro look at her. Within in 3 minutes of looking at her, he asked if I was a aware that she had torn her hamstring. He was able to feel it and after he showed me where, I could feel it too. She probably did it in her turn out adventure, but we didn't pick up on it. It had healed, but there was some scar tissue.

        The chiro said it was important to get her to step under, through and straight to break up the scar tissue. This was virtually impossible to accomplish under saddle. She has been working in hand against a wall since the middle of August and seeing some progress. It was the only way to get her to stop swinging that leg.

        just sayin' ...
        Last edited by nhwr; Oct. 22, 2011, 01:31 PM.
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        • #24
          Originally posted by mbm View Post
          this is very interesting...... she is really tracking off to the left with both hinds... you can see it very clearly in the video. at first i thought it was only the right hind, but both do it.

          she seems to have a ginormous overstep...

          but here is the thing... my guess is that this is how she is compensating and is getting out of her own way - ie: i dont think she can physically get her fronts off the ground fast enough so her hinds wont clip.. so she puts her hinds to the left.

          my quick non pro guestimate is that she is being ridden over tempo and way to low in front. if she were mine and i was riding i would get her more up in front - more in horizontal balance, so her muzzle was about even with her hip or thereabouts and i would slow her down, closer to her own natural tempo.... so she can learn to balance better. i would also be very careful with my inside rein and not unbalance her, and i would not do too tight of turns etc while she learns to rebalance herself.

          this is a nice mare. i would find help. where are you located?
          That could be true, at her current stage of growth she's built very down hill, and those long hind legs have a very long forward reach, she might be very well aligning her hind steps to prevent them from interfering and overstepping on the fronts.

          I would like to see lunge line video of her going in both directions to compare how she travels without any influence from a rider.

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          • #25
            Hi, I too have a huge moving young horse. When traveling on a circle his foot fall is relatively straight. On the straight however his hindend was anywhere but behind him. Two things really helped. First, for weeks we primarily rode transitions on a circle. Literally thousands of them. This really strengthened him a lot. Then I started adding straight lines. What I noticed is that whenever his gaits got too big his quarters would shift... So, the transitions kept that from happening. The other thing that helped was haunches in first at the walk and just recently at the trot. It allows me to reposition the haunches as needed.

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              #26
              So I got a recommendation for a trainer in my area from this thread and took Roquelle to a real dressage lesson!

              Or course the weather went crazy as soon as I got on, but she was such a good girl. I have been working on slowing down and beginning lateral work to get her more aware of her hind end since I posted the original question and I think she looks a lot straighter/ more supple. What do you think? The new video is here:

              http://youtu.be/XTdY3EW4YtQ

              I am still considering taking a working student position so I can get continual help since I certainly can't afford regular lessons right now. I was really pleased with her behavior and her progress!

              I am also trying a new saddle in this video - it was really hard to post in. Any recommendations for a wide horse and a tall rider with a very long thigh? The saddle in the video is a Schleese Canterbury.

              Thanks a lot for all of the comments and advice! I think things are improving a lot thanks to your help!

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              • #27
                1. she looks much straighter
                2. much better tempo
                3. I HATE that saddle for you with a capital H. Tell me what you hated about the feel of it and I'll make some suggestions
                4. she's ready for her poll to come up
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                • #28
                  Interesting thread, glad you posted your problem. I think she looks better in the video w/ the instruction.
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Petstorejunkie View Post
                    1. she looks much straighter
                    2. much better tempo
                    3. I HATE that saddle for you with a capital H. Tell me what you hated about the feel of it and I'll make some suggestions
                    4. she's ready for her poll to come up
                    Seconded. She's loverley. I hate the saddle for you.

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                    • #30
                      Ooooooh that was lovely, OP!!!! Is it possible to work out a deal with this instructor whereby you exchange lessons/reduced lessons for rides or stall mucking or whatnot????
                      ....horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
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                        #31
                        Originally posted by Petstorejunkie View Post
                        3. I HATE that saddle for you with a capital H. Tell me what you hated about the feel of it and I'll make some suggestions
                        Yup, I was in a terrible chair position in that saddle - I think the stirrup bars were too far forward for me. I think it also had kind of a wide twist which made my leg hang really awkwardly and hard to keep on. Posting was terrible and sitting was only slightly better.

                        I also know my hands were way too far back in my lap and I need to carry them up and in front of me much more.

                        I would prefer if a saddle helped me keep my leg in a better alignment - I have not always ridden in such a chair seat and I am disappointed at the way I seem to be absorbing the sitting trot through my shoulders and almost assuming the "water skiing" position.

                        Luckily, I have a very tolerant horse! Any saddle suggestions are very appreciated. She is quite wide and I am quite long in the thigh.

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                        • #32
                          i dont have time to watch it all but will say - that saddle does not fit your mare at all which is why it doenst work for you, and it would of been helpful for the trainer to say "now" "now" "now" at the appropriate time so you could get the timing of the leg aids for the TOF- and if she had you open your inside rein there would of been a lightbulb go on quicker i think.

                          i'll try to watch more later. but agree like the tempo better but still the mare is tight in teh back and that has to be job #1, forward tempo that relaxes teh horse, and the horse coming forwards/downwards as a result.

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                          • #33
                            Bates isabell has a narrower twist but a WIDER seat than what you were sitting in, and is great for horses with well sprung ribs and riders with LONG legs. If you are interested in one, I know where you can get one at a great price

                            Can you post some pictures of your mare's back? like a side confo and then a withers from the back, with camera resting on the croup shot? That would help a ton. I can make endless suggestions for you (because I've got LONG legs too and prefer a narrower twist) but that's only half the battle.
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                              #34
                              Originally posted by Petstorejunkie View Post
                              Bates isabell has a narrower twist but a WIDER seat than what you were sitting in, and is great for horses with well sprung ribs and riders with LONG legs. If you are interested in one, I know where you can get one at a great price
                              I just sold my Isabell - it was the saddle in the first video. I couldn't get it to fit my horse. I really liked it on a couple of horses I rode in it, and despised it on others.

                              I have a medium wide Schleese JES advanced at home that I am going to try today. I will try to take some pictures.

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                              • #35
                                In looking at the video, your right stirrup looks a lot longer than the left. Just curious if you ride that way all the time, which will unbalance you and cause crookedness in the horse.
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                                • #36
                                  try this!

                                  Can you stand on a chair behind her and take a picture/ video of her spine///////? That would be a tremendous help!
                                  breeder of Mercury!

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