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Any Aussies out there- info on Colleen Kelly? (biomechanics "expert")

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  • Any Aussies out there- info on Colleen Kelly? (biomechanics "expert")

    As in the title, anyone know her?

  • #2
    Originally posted by mickeydoodle View Post
    As in the title, anyone know her?
    All I know is I keep gettting emails nominally from her.

    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).


    • #3
      Just went to her website and read a piece on the placement of the thumb. She claims there is scientific evidence that shows when you roll the thumb over, 11kgs of weight are added to the forehand of the horse.

      That is interesting since all the clients I have worked with have discovered that if they lay the fingers parallel to the withers the horse can lighten in the forehand........how the rider uses the seat affects the forehand weight more than the hands.


      • #4
        She seems to be a regular on the Equine Affair etc crcuit. I've seen her a few times and have not been impressed
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        • #5
          Mis-representation of data

          Her words:
          "And research shows when the rider is mounted – even in a normal position – they put 30% less weight on the hind quarters…and that weight obviously has to go somewhere – and it’s on the front feet!"

          From study which was done to find strain affects on bottom of hooves.....
          "Changing lead at a canter had as least as much effect on strain magnitudes as did turning; strains were up to 43% higher for the nonlead foot, but with little redistribution. Perhaps surprisingly, strains were significantly lower on the quarters by up to 30% with a rider than without, with a 10% increase or decrease at the toe, depending on the individual. Riding style changed strain magnitudes by up to 20% and also caused strain redistribution: strains were higher medially for sitting, and laterally for forward seat, with strains for a rising trot being more evenly distributed and intermediate in magnitude. Studying the range of, and causes of variation in hoof wall strain gives baseline data aimed, in the long term, at providing a biomechanical definition of hoof balance."


          • #6
            Originally posted by dragonharte8 View Post
            Just went to her website and read a piece on the placement of the thumb. She claims there is scientific evidence that shows when you roll the thumb over, 11kgs of weight are added to the forehand of the horse.
            Maybe she should watch CKD ride.

            Generally has the piano-hand thing going on but I don't think forehand lightness is a problem...
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            • #7
              I rode with her in August and took her unmounted lecture and even though the "talk" is there, the "end result" is NOT.

              We had 7 ppl ride and none of them will do it again. All we did is walk and trot with eyes closed to see which side the horses were drifting but we never fixed it.
              She asked what we wanted to work on but never worked on any of the 7 problems we verbalized.
              Persoanlly I found it annoying that she kept referring to the Aussies as the leading dressage nation(wth??) and he constant sarcasm about Americans vs. Aussies got old after about 15 minutes. Very friendly and fun but not worth my time or money...!


              • Original Poster

                Hmm, I had the same experience this past weekend. Very nice and funny lady, but lots and lots of talk about her being a grand prix rider, how perfect her changes were, etc. Really talking up how great her show career was. Lots of self promotion, pushing her products, DVD's, etc

                But, she said that all riding problems were do to our feet being turned out and could all be fixed with the feet pointing straight ahead. She asked each person in the clinic what there problems were (even wrote notes on her hand) but then never addressed any of the problems. The "work" was limited to a little walk and trot (one hour session). At the walk she had people stand in the inside then the outdiside stirrup and as the horse drifted in or out, she said they were doing half pass and shoulder in.

                What I was really wondering, is what her scores were at grand prix in Australia??? she indicated that she was in the top rankings


                • #9
                  She's a funny lady...let's leave it at that.


                  • #10
                    I could not find any scores or pics of a so called show career......but I am comforted that my experiences were the same as other peoples! So sad but there many like her out there ;(


                    • #11
                      Just for a different point of view - I had a private lesson from her earlier this year and I am glad for it.

                      My right lower leg is different and I never knew what to do with it. She spotted my problems straight away and gave me ways to help fix them.

                      I was aware of my problems (lower legs and crookedness) and told her these were what I thought were my main issues, and she definitely addressed them.

                      She talks a lot! Lots of stories, but when they apply to you, you remember them.

                      If you can have a private lesson or a two up go for that. In a group there's not enough time to address your own particular problems. I watched the other lesson's for the day and there is enough general stuff that will apply to everyone in a group, but I wanted help with my specific issues.


                      • Original Poster

                        The group was 7 riders, and at the start she SPECIFICALLY asked each of us about our problems (wrote them in pen on her left hand) and said she was going to tell us the SECRET (her caps not mine) to fix each individual problem, but then did not. I was disappointed to say the least.

                        scores, actual professional referrals, etc??????????


                        • #13
                          I scored four "group" sessions over a weekend with her for free from a friend. Attended three before my dressage-happy horse said "I will NOT go back in that ring".

                          She was seriously the worst clinician I have EVER ridden with/audited/watched. I left the clinic with an angry horse and a very sore leg from where she grabbed it and yanked my ankle down and told em "RELAX DAMNIT!" *shake* *Yank* *shake*. Think "doing a Linda" on my leg and wondering why I wasn't relaxing into some blissful stupor.

                          No I would never attend again. She was rude, she had everyone ride their horses forwards!forwards!forwards! on the forehand (running out of balance). Shocking.


                          • #14
                            The recomendation from the dreaded L.P should have been enough.!
                            I also achieved 100% in my dressage judges exam.. so its not 'so unheard of"!!

                            Most of her business is not repeat clients.

                            she has never ridden Grand Prix in Australia,

                            belambi may know her because she was slightly involved with vaulting for a while around the time he was.


                            • #15
                              I have had pupils attend her lessons (in the past I have always been sure that they will not be damaged in a "one off" lesson that was supposedly all about posture). 75% of them have been extremely disappointed.


                              • #16
                                A different approach.....

                                I'm not an instructor. I am however well studied in riding mechanics. With my sports medicine background I take a different approach o finding solutions for equestrian athletes....From the perspective of athleticism.

                                For those who have taken clinics with her, I would be interested in your comments/comparisons after viewing this:

                                Medical Mike
                                equestrian medical researcher


                                • #17
                                  She took advantage of a friend of mine who did her certification program ($$$) sadly, in which I have no idea what she is certified in....and either does she :-(

                                  I tried to tell my friend that there are SO many more qualified instructors out there that are WAY cheaper...but my friend is the type that is attracted to shiny objects.....and was told it was better for her to save her money and ride with Colleen once a year, then ride with a equally (if not more qualified instructor) once a week.

                                  Oh well, I tried.....


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by AJC View Post
                                    I also achieved 100% in my dressage judges exam.. so its not 'so unheard of"!!

                                    Most of her business is not repeat clients.

                                    she has never ridden Grand Prix in Australia,
                                    I've been wondering what exam she scored so well in. Did you take an Australian judges exam? Can you compare it to any other judge exams, or share how difficult you feel the exam is?



                                    • #19
                                      I have heard nothing but rubbish about her. I know a handful of people that have ridden under her and they've been very much disappointed. I know I would run a mile if I ever had to go to anything of hers.

                                      And I'm sick of her crappy spam about her dodgy 'research'


                                      • #20
                                        I was a demo rider for her at a clinic in LA recently. if I had paid for the experience, I would have been very disappointed. As it was, the first 45 minutes of my ride was useless at best, confusing at worst. At the VERY END, she gave me some excellent details on body alignment and position and then I got off. I would have liked to have that at the beginning and then had the chance to ride a while and integrate what she said into my riding.
                                        The auditors were all able to take away a little something, but if they had paid more than $25 for the program would have felt cheated.
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