• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

diagonals

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • diagonals

    for tests that allow the trot to be performed posting, can a rider be penalized for posting on the wrong diagonal? a friend and I were discussing... any rules in the rulebook?

  • #2
    nope! Many judges would prefer you change your diagonal at either the beginning or end of the diagonal so as not to disrupt the flow of the trot at X.
    Proud member of the Colbert Dressage Nation

    Comment


    • #3
      No rule as such, but still don't be caught posting on the wrong one. I have changed at X and not found it upset the trot. It would probably be better to wait until the end of the diagonal. Just don't ever be caught on the wrong one.

      Comment


      • #4
        So long as your horse is balanced, you should not be penalized for posting on the wrong diagonal.

        I've never done it in a test (because, really, it's usually harder to have a horse balanced on a circle if you aren't on the correct diagonal, and I don't need to make things harder for myself! ), but I've done it in rail classes (not equitation, of course) on a horse who went smoother on one diagonal than the other - and won. While I can't speak for every judge, of course, it's not nearly the taboo people would believe - again, so long as it doesn't negatively effect the horse's performance.
        Proud member of the EDRF

        Comment


        • #5
          Ive had a judge write in the comments on my test "wrong diagonal". While Im not sure if she marked off for it on that movement, she did mention it. So, I always try and stay on the correct one.

          Ive also had a judge comment "change diagonal at M, not X"

          Comment


          • #6
            There is no 'wrong' diagonal (since different countries/schools have different ideas about it), so you can post on any diagonal you want. Best idea is to change (if you want) at the end of the diagonal (imho).
            I.D.E.A. yoda

            Comment


            • #7
              Go "wrong" only if you dare. Many will comment on it; they have the eyes of eagles.

              Comment


              • #8
                My daughter has been competing in dressage for 12 years. She is always on the wrong diagonal--she just posts with the one that feels the best. She has her USDF Silver Medal. No one has ever mentioned it, and our trainer, an FEI judge, says no one ever should.
                \"I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed.\"--Pogo

                Comment


                • #9
                  There is no "right" or "wrong" diagonal in dressage. If you consistently post on one diagonal without switching, the judge may comment on that because you are contributing to potential unevenness. But a judge should never say you are on the wrong diagonal.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by J-Lu View Post
                    nope! Many judges would prefer you change your diagonal at either the beginning or end of the diagonal so as not to disrupt the flow of the trot at X.
                    I prefer changing at X. I find it easier to half-halt and change if I sit for a beat, as well.
                    Against My Better Judgement: A blog about my new FLF OTTB
                    Do not buy a Volkswagen. I did and I regret it.
                    VW sucks.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      The only thing that I've learned is that its not wrong, but it can throw your horse off balance if it is a green horse learning to balance and bend. Also on my circles I just feel weird on the wrong diagnol Not so much on the rail but when I have to bend to centerline or circle I feel like it throws myself and my horse off.
                      Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        if the horse is even on both hind legs and is supple he feels equally well on either diagonal on a circle, it is an exercise some trainers have one do alot to change diagonals over and over on a circle.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I wonder if PiaffePlease has ridden for the same judge I have scribed for? While i agree it's not in the rules, I know there is at least one judge around here who gets perturbed about the issue...
                          http://wildwoodfarmnc.com

                          http://cantersgutenberg.wordpress.co...g-quiet-goose/

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            They comment on it, they cannot take off points no matter how they feel about it.

                            they often comment too if the choice of diagonal or where the rider changes diagonals seems to be disturbing the horse

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rabbit351w View Post
                              for tests that allow the trot to be performed posting, can a rider be penalized for posting on the wrong diagonal? a friend and I were discussing... any rules in the rulebook?
                              yes -- becuase you have not noticed or felt the horse being on the worng diagonal

                              which makes for an untidy test- and not in control of horse

                              by that the horse doersnt flow from one movement to another and is off balanced
                              Last edited by goeslikestink; Jun. 7, 2008, 01:35 PM.

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                you might have scored better if you had notice and corrected it, ie sit for 2 beats and change the diagnol for the correct one

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Im not sure about in tests but my coach will get on me about diagonals.
                                  Dressage it's a way of life!

                                  It's not as much about long and low as about down and around Courtesy of Gay McCall

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by slc2 View Post
                                    They comment on it, they cannot take off points no matter how they feel about it.

                                    they often comment too if the choice of diagonal or where the rider changes diagonals seems to be disturbing the horse
                                    your wrong slc2 very wrong---- its a bad habit , if one does not know there diagnols
                                    and it should be taught at basic training levels

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      Posting on different diagonals affect the diagonal pairs in a very calculated manner. No, the rider canNOT be dinged here because it is NOT in the (dressage) rules...yes for hunters.
                                      I.D.E.A. yoda

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        Coming from a hunter background, I can't stand seeing someone on the wrong diagonal. (In the US, you should be on the outside diagonal, is it different in other countries?). I also spent the first half of my riding career being drilled to ALWAYS be on the correct diagonal. We would have lessons where we were not allowed to look down and had to ask for the trot and pick up the correct diagonal and know which diagonal we were on.

                                        I have a problem with one of the first level tests where you are asked to extend the trot across the diagonal, specifically using a rising (posting) trot....I ALWAYS want to switch at X even though we are only posting in a straight line across the diagonal. It takes a lot of work for me not to and I don't because I figure it might mess up her extension and in that instance look sloppy.

                                        As far as being penalized, some people are sticklers for details more than others. Being on the correct diagonal might be one of their peeves. If they are not officially allowed to penalize for it, they may end up taking 2 points off instead of one for a movement that is not as crisp AND the diagonal is wrong.

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X