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  • Stubben,CWD,Childeric,Prestige or County?

    So I am looking at a dressage saddle for my very wide short backed 4 year old mare with uneven shoulders that is a tad downhill though she doesn't ride that way. I am looking at County, CWD, Stubben, Childeric and the Prestige D1. I'd love to hear feedback from anyone who has or has had one of these brands of dressage saddles. I've tried a Sommer, Hennig and Schleese to no avail. The horse is the Princess and the Pea. Any information would be much appreciated. Thanks!

  • #2
    I'm going through similar issues with my young mare albeit with different fitting issues.

    In researching the brands, my advice would be to find out as much as you can about what it is like doing business with the companies and/or the saddle fitters in your area. Ultimately that may have a lot to say about your shopping experience.

    What works well for some people might not work for you due to differences in the horses' shapes. For example, I tried the Schleese on my horse and they worked amazingly well, but none of the Counties worked and I tried 4+ models.

    I'm surprised that none of the last three you mentioned ended up working for your horse. Those companies seem to pride themselves on being able to fit most horses. What was the problem?

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      #3
      The Sommer and Hennig I tried were too tight in the shoulders. They also did not have enough room for my long thigh. Any wider though and the saddle would tip downhill. I am sure Hennig could make me a custom saddle but I am not willing to risk $6300.00 to have it not be right.

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      • #4
        My short backed, wide Arab wears a Stubben Aramis with a 32cm tree. You can pick inexpensive ones on eBay. Both of my Stubbens were around $300 on eBay and Craigslist. They're both 10-15 years old, but perfectly usable.

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        • #5
          Have you considered a Bruno Delgrange?

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          • #6
            I would contact someone like Equestrian Imports of Trumbull Mountain and ask their advice if you don't have a good local fitter. It's going to be hard for anyone on this board to tell you what will fit your horse, especially without pics.

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            • #7
              I have a brand new Stubben Genesis Special D. *does happy dance* It's been here for exactly 7 days tomorrow and I can not say enough good things about this saddle! I'll get new photos of my horses in it tomorrow & post those if you want but I highly recommend having Stubben send a rep/saddle fitter out to your barn and seeing what your options may be.

              FWIW - I am a minimalist when it comes to saddles and am thrilled to be free of the thigh blocks/over stuffed saddle feeling. But that is just me. For what I'm doing - the saddle puts my hips in the absolute perfect 'sweet spot' on their backs - no more fighting the saddle to keep in balance with horse or bracing to stay with the bigger movers. My horses have totally done an amazing shift in their way of going. Every one that has gone it in it so far has developed a huge, panther-like walk with tons of undulation in their backs. But they were all measured and this saddle fits with a shim here and a shim there to 'customize' it individually. I believe there are more options than I chose to go with - this saddle has to fit several until I get another saddle.

              But that all being said, I have received lots of instruction and constant coaching of how to ride in this saddle! So the improvements have taken a lot of reminders from the ground to not fall into my old habits and bad instincts.

              OP - if you are at all local to our place, please feel free to drop me a note and I'm happy to let you ride in mine to see if you like it. Or if you want more info/opinion/feedback - obviously I am happy to talk about it!

              These photos are from the first morning, first ride on my Weltmeyer - who is a bit on the bouncy side! I tried this saddle back in June and actually riding him in it was what sealed the 'I have to have this saddle' feeling. I never would have made the change otherwise. (I'm a skeptic and more than a little cynical when someone says a saddle will change everything - but very happy to have been wrong in this case! )

              Good luck with whatever you decide to do!
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tasker View Post
                I have a brand new Stubben Genesis Special D. *does happy dance* It's been here for exactly 7 days tomorrow and I can not say enough good things about this saddle! !

                ooohhhh lucky you! that is my dream saddle and what i hope to get in the next couple years..... loved my old Tristen and it is great to see a minimalist saddle on the market again!

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                • #9
                  Thanks mbm! I literally pinch myself when I get on each horse! It is so awesome to be so close to the horses' backs!!!!! My old saddles are close but just not quite the same. I feel terrible for my mom and our working students as they are stuck with the old saddles! But I did pick up 2 ancient Tristans to get over the hump of waiting for this saddle come in over the summer. They are close to the same feeling but the new BioMex is fantabulous on the broken bits that are my tail bone!
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                  • #10
                    I have the same saddle (but did not get nut-colored panels) and I share your same happy dance. I almost bought a used Schleese LinkII -- but while waiting for one to come on market, I tried a Stubben Maestoso -- and voila, fell in love. Brought in the Stubben saddle fitter and preferred the Special even more.

                    I love the close feeling and I actually feel more secure in it, not less. My trail mare goes goes down hills a lot easier in it -- I think because it keeps me better balanced.


                    jan

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Halfling View Post
                      my very wide short backed 4 year old mare with uneven shoulders
                      My guy with bulldog shoulders, wide, short back just loves his Lovatt & Ricketts Ellipse which has a hoop tree. I like it too, although it takes some getting used to.

                      Trumbell Mtn carries L&R. They also have a standard tree but recommend the hoop tree for wide horses that are difficult to fit.
                      Ring the bells that still can ring
                      Forget your perfect offering
                      There is a crack in everything
                      That's how the light gets in.

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                      • #12
                        Love Stubben for a short backed horse but also Ortho-Flex and American -Flex for horses with all the issues you describe. PM me if you want more information.
                        Anne
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                        • #13
                          Just ordered a Stubben Genesis Special D for my short backed GRP. Couldn't believe how much freer & more forward he was in that than my custom Hennig. I'm counting the days till it arrives. I didn't see any used on ebay when I went looking, so I bit the bullet & went new. Plan on selling the Hennig to cover the cost of the Stubben! The Stubben rep helped me figure out the size, a 29 & he's not exactly a narrow type. That was also the size for my friend's 18 hand big guy. Go figure!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tasker View Post
                            Thanks mbm! I literally pinch myself when I get on each horse! It is so awesome to be so close to the horses' backs!!!!! My old saddles are close but just not quite the same. I feel terrible for my mom and our working students as they are stuck with the old saddles! But I did pick up 2 ancient Tristans to get over the hump of waiting for this saddle come in over the summer. They are close to the same feeling but the new BioMex is fantabulous on the broken bits that are my tail bone!
                            i am looking for a Tristan now (wish i hadn't sold the one i bought new - oh a coons age ago )

                            any idea what width a 15h flat withered 3 yo would take?

                            his withers are shaped like this )

                            right now he is a XW JRD.... but i want more minimalist --- you are a v v lucky girl!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mbm View Post
                              i am looking for a Tristan now (wish i hadn't sold the one i bought new - oh a coons age ago )

                              any idea what width a 15h flat withered 3 yo would take?

                              his withers are shaped like this )

                              right now he is a XW JRD.... but i want more minimalist --- you are a v v lucky girl!
                              I am very lucky indeed!!!

                              What we use on the youngsters (for the first 2-4 years as riding horses) is an American/Ortho Flex saddle - it changes automatically, they love them and we don't have to spend a fortune having them refitted constantly. Plus with so many babies it is nice to choose between 1 or 2 dressage saddles and know that they will fit both me and the horses. They are all different shapes, widths and sizes, so until we're sure what they will fit in - they get to practice sharing. I'm not in a position to buy each horse their own saddle which might not fit in 6 months. When they are ready to advance towards real collection (half pass, collected canter, etc), they get the Tristan. When we're talking pirouettes, piaffe and passage and counting changes - they'll get to have the Genesis Special. I can't afford to have multiple GSD's (and God forbid I damage the one I have) so I have to 'save' it for the big movers and for showing. Our tackroom is overflowing at the moment but they are all happy, so that is what counts, right?

                              Photos L-R of the Weltmeyer as a 4 year old in an AF Classic Dressage, a 6 year old in an AF Dressage and then a 5 year old in the Tristan I picked up. It is a 1/2" too small for me (looks fine with my coat on) but with some shims added fits him fine.

                              Hope that helps!
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                              • #16
                                thanks! i am going on a saddle mission today - we shall see what i find

                                (and if you are looking to "rehome" any of the overflowing saddles please feel free to let me know lol!))

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                                • #17
                                  Love my Childeric

                                  Love, love love it. I always feel in perfect balance when I ride in it. Horse loves it. Horse was a beast to fit - name all the saddles made for wide backed big shouldered horses and we had tried them to no avail. The Childeric was an accident really - someone in my barn had it, was getting out of showing, and had it for sale. I tried it as a WTH last resort kind of thing.

                                  Did I tell you that I love this saddle?

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                                  • #18
                                    I had a mare who sounds very like yours. Shortbacked, wide shoulders.
                                    I tried so many saddles to no avail and finally found the wide (32cm) Niedersuss Hippostar fitted the bill perfectly.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Eireamon View Post
                                      I had a mare who sounds very like yours. Shortbacked, wide shoulders.
                                      I tried so many saddles to no avail and finally found the wide (32cm) Niedersuss Hippostar fitted the bill perfectly.
                                      how do you know if it is a 32cm? they stamp MK WK etc on their saddles to denote width?

                                      also, same question for Stubbens - how can you tell the width?

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                                      • #20
                                        On the older Tristans we picked up there is a stamp on the right hand girth billet cover/flap with the serial # and tree width.

                                        You might want to talk to Stubben if you go that route as my guys (or most of them at least) fit beautifully in a 29 in the GSD. When I picked up the old saddles, they recommended getting a 30. FWIW.
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