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  • Had brilliant luck ponying Fella

    Deleted for lack of clarity.
    Last edited by paulaedwina; Oct. 5, 2011, 10:18 PM.
    He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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    juuuuust remember the main focus is HOW you get forward, and that it should come from you and not an outside stimulus.

    FWIW this is ponying. I tried to find video of someone ponying 3 at a time, but alas I came up empty.
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      Deleted.
      Last edited by paulaedwina; Oct. 5, 2011, 10:18 PM.
      He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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      • #4
        now I'm really confused - what else could ponying be

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Petstorejunkie View Post
          juuuuust remember the main focus is HOW you get forward, and that it should come from you and not an outside stimulus.

          FWIW this is ponying. I tried to find video of someone ponying 3 at a time, but alas I came up empty.
          well, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLS87w0VAtU shows a whole bunch of people ponying 2 at a time... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sXwNzC8BAw shows one guy ponying two on each side. When I was in Florida two years ago, I saw a guy ponying 3 off one side and 4 off the other. You could barely see him amid the herd of ponies!
          You have to have experiences to gain experience.

          1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"

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          • #6
            Thank you! I tried "polo pony ponying" "ponying 4 horses" so many different combos and only got videos of yahoos dragging a horse along in a dangerous manner.
            best I ever did was 4 abreast, but I always cussed the whole time trying to line them up for mounting... never failed, one of mine would swing out and make a mess of things while trying to hop on.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by alto View Post
              now I'm really confused - what else could ponying be
              Same here. I don't see how deleting helps with clarity...

              I wasn't sure if Paula was just making a joke or not in the OP, and now I wish I had asked that. It was described as following a pony around, not ponying, but I think it was meant to be humorous... except if it was, deleting doesn't make sense.
              Originally posted by Silverbridge
              If you get anything on your Facebook feed about who is going to the Olympics in 2012 or guessing the outcome of Bush v Gore please start threads about those, too.

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                #8
                Yes I was trying to say that Fella and I were completely different horse and rider following a pony around the ring. We did everything she did without fuss or muss. I found my seat again and found less that I was wrestling with him to keep him forward or straight. I have a feeling we were both more relaxed because I was more relaxed.

                I deleted it because I just didn't have the strength to go through process of explaining what I meant and that I knew what ponying was and that I knew that he still had to learn forward on his own and that I thought it would be a good way to develop good habits just by doing.

                I felt like the embodiment of the definition of insanity -doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.

                So I deleted it.
                Paula
                He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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                • #9
                  I never saw your first post. However, your simple description in this first paragraph here is very interesting. Whenever I am stuck on something, like "forward" or transitions or whatever, I think of something like what you just did to get back to basics. I think of something which the horse can do, and do it, find out what 'forward' means to him, and if he is responding in that situation, do it for a while, asking for what he is doing well, letting him do it at the level he can, then you can build on that.

                  I think that was a simple, wise clever way to get back to just having some success at something which has become frustrating, perhaps? Sometimes a session which just has some repeated successful moments at a basic level, like following another horse - which is using his herd instincts to mirror the other horse's movements - was a good idea, because he is moving with the other horse with you on board and you can ask him for what the other horse is doing. Next time you ask him, he will remember that he responded, right? If you do this again, try riding next to the other horse. Even try riding him while the other person is actually ponying him - when that person canters and he is snubbed up to the other horse, remember, you are riding him and he is doing everything correctly. Next time you ride, you will know he certainly can do it, and you can ask bravely and insist he respond and ask him to do the very same thing, only alone - canter in the same corner, for the same amount of time, or something. It is very rewarding and relieves the stress and frustration; then you can move on from there?

                  If that's what you meant, congrats, it was a clever idea, and very sound, in my opinion. I've done exactly the same on my rather well trained gelding, when we first came together.
                  Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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                  • #10
                    Deleted for lack of clarity? That's new. Maybe we could make this the new "nevermind" thread.
                    "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                    • #11
                      At least it's horse related!


                      Yes I was trying to say that Fella and I were completely different horse and rider following a pony around the ring. We did everything she did without fuss or muss. I found my seat again and found less that I was wrestling with him to keep him forward or straight. I have a feeling we were both more relaxed because I was more relaxed.
                      & that is key
                      & maybe Fella was also more relaxed just because there was that other pony there taking all the pressure off

                      I was hoping for an update - I greatly admire your bravery in posting videos of your horse journey! & opening it all up for discussion.

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                        #12
                        Just got back home. My teenaged Yoda wasn't there today so I was on my own. We fussed a bit, but AnotherRound you were right, I was more confident in asking for stuff I know he can do. ALSO alto you're dead on; I think I rediscovered my seat and my balance when we were following our teenaged Yoda. As a consequence I rediscovered seat and tailbone/hip pressure today. I was able to approach fixing a counterbending issue I've been having (I don't know who counterbended first, but it is what it is). Imagine that you can influence/fix bending by weighting a tailbone/hip instead of trying to fix it with reins (I think I try to fix it by leading him to the outside when he's already counterbending outside and falling in on his inside shoulder -sigh -of course this must makes things worse. I am working on that).

                        Did some yoga a horse-top to help me stretch, activate my core, and find my seat. For example tree pose helped me discover how hollow my back was when I was astride the horse and helped me re-discover my core, lift my diaphragm and flatten that back again. It is especially effective when you close your eyes -then you can really feel your balance on the horse.

                        Warrior 2 helped me stretch out my back and triangle pose also helped me with this.

                        So it went sort of like; Mountain pose, Tree pose, lowered my arms to Warrior pose, rotating in the saddle, then to Triangle pose bringing my arm and shoulder Fella's opposite shoulder. I ended with a modified Big Toe pose where I wrapped my arms around Fella's neck and released my neck.

                        I did this before and after the session. I think it helped alot.

                        I am going to take your advice, Anotheround, and ride side by side in the next session.

                        Paula
                        He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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                        • #13
                          I'm going to watch America's Next Top Model all weekend so I can rediscover my inner size 2.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by katarine View Post
                            I'm going to watch America's Next Top Model all weekend so I can rediscover my inner size 2.
                            Imagine what could happen if you watched gymnastics.

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                              AnotherRound,

                              Just a follow up. I think your assessment was dead on. I haven't had another session with my teenager, but I've been riding. That one session helped me feel what's right and what's off again. I can't say I'm correct, but now I know when I am not correct. For example, I've been working on straight at walk and my transitions, and now I know exactly when I am leaning forward to ask for a transition and feel him go off balance and can stop it and fix it and do it properly. This is huge. I'd lost this ability since training with Fella and I'm finding it again. I swear the horseback yoga that I did on impulse (I've done yoga on the ground) worked too. Tree pose with my eyes closed really really spoke to me.

                              BTW I've also discovered that without stirrups Fella is straight. With stirrups I'm pushing a rope. The horse hasn't changed so.... I guess I'll be working without stirrups for a while.

                              Paula
                              He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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                              • #16
                                Paula,

                                I have been maybe too forthcoming about what I think of your attitude towards those who disagree with you, your constant updates, and your insistence that your horse can make it to GP, so you may have blocked this message, but I hope other more experienced COTHers who agree with me will post as well.

                                If riding your horse with stirrups is like pushing rope, your horse is, to put it in easy to understand terms, the boss of you. He is not doing one thing that is not HIS decision. This is bad for you and for the horse. As you have shared, this horse was resold by the previous owner because he was difficult.

                                This is probably exactly what she was talking about.

                                Put this horse in training. You are not doing him or yourself any favors by continuing to accept his reluctance to go forward. You put it in terms of losing your balance or whatever with this horse. THIS IS BECAUSE HE IS NOT LISTENING TO YOU. It's not your balance, it's because he is not moving and your body is probably twisting and contorting in ways you are not totally aware of an effort to get him to pick up his feet. An inexperienced rider deals with laziness by pushing and tensing in her seat. It's like banging two boards together, or trying to bounce off a slab of concrete. This is why you lose your balance.

                                A horse needs a boss. You are not his boss. Following some kid around and relying on his herd instinct is not going to help because it doesn't come from you.

                                If you can't tell your horse to DO something without him doing it NOW, then you are continuing to nurse this horse down the path of unrideability.

                                I know you love him, so put someone on him who can instill a work ethic.
                                2012 goal: learn to ride like a Barn Rat

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                                • #17
                                  What are you doing differently?

                                  Originally posted by paulaedwina View Post
                                  BTW I've also discovered that without stirrups Fella is straight. With stirrups I'm pushing a rope. The horse hasn't changed so.... I guess I'll be working without stirrups for a while.

                                  Paula
                                  You won't be doing him any favors. You know he can go straight, so figure out WHY he goes better without stirrups, pick up your stirrups and make him go straight!
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                                  Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
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                                    #18
                                    Sorry, didn't mean to drive people crazy with constant updates. I process out loud so I like to talk things out. I'll try very hard to keep it to myself from now on. I'll try very hard to make this my last post here about Fella. I don't mean to be obnoxious.

                                    Paula
                                    He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by paulaedwina View Post
                                      Sorry, didn't mean to drive people crazy with constant updates. I process out loud so I like to talk things out. I'll try very hard to keep it to myself from now on. I'll try very hard to make this my last post here about Fella. I don't mean to be obnoxious.

                                      Paula
                                      I enjoy your updates, look for them actually. I don't usually say much but I have some of the same struggles and issues so it's interesting to see how someone else deals with them.

                                      I think if you post that it's a Fella update in the subject line those who are interested can look, those who aren't can skip it.

                                      Me, I don't have the cojones to put up a video of myself to be torn apart.

                                      Whatever you choose to do, you have my email, feel free to share with me if you'd like to.
                                      "Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple” – Barry Switzer

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                                      • #20
                                        Ditto "The HorseProblem". IMO, that's a very honest assessment, though not one you might want to hear.

                                        Basically, your horse is reacting to you u/s as if you are insignficant. And it's hard to progress (in fact you and the horse can digress) unless you change that in a tactful and skilled way. Sounds like you need help doing so, more than doing so through an internest forum.

                                        You need a good pro with eyes on the ground and one that get get on your horse and GO FORWARD.

                                        It's pretty humbling to see a horse go well for another, but it also tells you alot about your relationship with the horse (i.e. he's not taking you seriously).

                                        Nothing wrong with seeking good help.


                                        Edited to say: Many draft x's have a tendency to want to "suck back" and I can tell you from being a breeder of Shire/TB's in the past -- don't let it happen (or fix it as fast as you can). It's bad habit if you let them learn they can "live behind the leg".
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