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  • Somehow I am not impressed...

    This guy has a fancy arena...but a few things are just off...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDJPD...eature=related

    Ok, tell me I am an idiot and he is like totally good....
    Originally posted by BigMama1
    Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
    GNU Terry Prachett

  • #2
    Alagirl, didn't you see that mustache? He is totes legit!

    Seriously, while I'm not educated, what I'm seeing doesn't make me go "wow, I can learn from this". The canter work really bothered me, it seemed like some awkward combo of dressage and AQHA western pleasure. Like AQHA WP, I noticed the first horse wasn't straight, and had his haunches to the inside. And why is he holding the whip like a sword?

    Someone please educate me.

    ETA: Check this: http://www.bentbranderup.dk/branderup.html

    "All this led to the meeting of Hugin in 1986. A Knabstrupper stallion, seriously injured, with three legs broken in 1991and later on in 1995 he went totally blind. Trough Hugin Bent learned to use the Dressage for the Horse instead of using the Horse for the Dressage"

    Ummmmmmmmm, I really doubt that. I don't know any horse with three broken legs that wouldn't be humanely euthanized.
    Proud member of the Snort and Blow Clique

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    • #3
      Definitely retro

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      • #4
        I just clicked through to one of the other videos to see what the deal was - apparently he holds the whip like a sword because sometimes there are swords involved! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxEc...eature=related)

        I've heard his name about before, but until now never seen anything of him - obviously a VERY classical dressage person.

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        • #5
          It's a different school of dressage than what we practice for competition or train for flat work for other disciplines. But I like it. Its more of a performance than riding. I can imagine if he rode the horse forward, we would all say WOW because then we would see what we expect to see. I dont see any abuse here - that horse is very relaxed and happy.

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          • #6
            The horse is doing a canter pirouette by pivoting on its inside front leg!

            And those who advocate about the fact that a real classical pirouette should be done with a 3 beat canter...this one is closer to 5 beats!

            @LNS: no one said he was abusing his horses.

            People tend to mix up 'forward' with 'fast' and 'collection' with 'going in slow motion'... In any flat work, competitive dressage, classical dressage, whatever, I expect to see a horse that has impulsion, throught its back and engage its hind legs.
            Not fast or slow, hollow back with hind legs draging behind.
            ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

            Originally posted by LauraKY
            I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
            HORSING mobile training app

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            • #7
              I have a whole DVD of this gentleman, and it notes that this particular horse is blind. Yes, its more uber-classical, reproducing 16th/17th Century costume in some instances, as well as riding of that era as opposed to modern competitive dressage

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              • #8
                Pivoting on the front leg is called a Jambette. It is a legit Baroque movement. Carrying the whip like a sword is also legit amoungst classicists.
                "Rock n' roll's not through, yeah, I'm sewing wings on this thing." --Destroyer
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                • #9
                  I was troubled by the starting canter work in the first video, but the more I watched, the more I liked what I saw. He's studied with some of the best and his position is lovely. He knows what he's doing, IMO.

                  WHY do these guys do the facial hair thing, though?

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                  • #10
                    The horse does look very relaxed and happy in his work--I'll give him that. But that was not a canter pirouette in my book--they should be 3-beat like the regular canter. That was a very broken up 4-beat pirouette, more like he was just stepping around in a circle.

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                    • #11
                      I believe that he is riding the horse that was rescued with *three broken legs*/seriously injured (whatever that means).

                      I like the attitude of the horses. He seems quite legit in a very old method.

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                      • #12
                        FWIW, at a recent Debbie McDonald clinic, Debbie had a rider hold her whip upright. Mare was sluggish and resisting rider's efforts to animate her hind legs, was overreactive to whip behind (scared and PO'd), and throwing her head in the air. Upright whip discouraged mare from throwing her head and allowed rider to apply leg aids more effectively.

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                        • #13
                          Most riders have a tendency to rotate the left hand inward instead of keeping the thumb on top. A frequent result is that the rider loses the horse's left shoulder, especially in clockwise work. When the whip is kept vertical in the left hand, it helps prevent this inward rotation of the left hand, and as the results, the left rein does a better job of controling the horse's left shoulder.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kinnip View Post
                            Pivoting on the front leg is called a Jambette. It is a legit Baroque movement. Carrying the whip like a sword is also legit amoungst classicists.
                            Have you even looked at the video?

                            No, a 'Jambette' is not that at all.
                            A jambette is the premise of the spanish walk. One leg that lift in front, hold there a moment and take a step.

                            And the jambette mixed with a pivot is not classical riding, it is circus riding. And this movement is certainly NOT done at the canter.

                            The rider was aiming for a canter pirouette but the inside front leg get stuck on the ground and is pivoting.
                            ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                            Originally posted by LauraKY
                            I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                            HORSING mobile training app

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by alibi_18 View Post
                              Have you even looked at the video?

                              No, a 'Jambette' is not that at all.
                              A jambette is the premise of the spanish walk. One leg that lift in front, hold there a moment and take a step.

                              And the jambette mixed with a pivot is not classical riding, it is circus riding. And this movement is certainly NOT done at the canter.

                              The rider was aiming for a canter pirouette but the inside front leg get stuck on the ground and is pivoting.
                              It's been said before but it bears repeating. If the horse in question indeed suffered several leg fractures at an earlier age, it could be that the horse is doing the best it can within his issues and his rider/trainer has helped him get there.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Beasmom View Post
                                WHY do these guys do the facial hair thing, though?
                                Because it's cool and goes with the whole Baroque retro theme?

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                                • #17
                                  as a classical student (who also competes), I see a horse that is happy, work that has errors, and his position does need some work.
                                  Anyone who produces a happy horse with reasonably correct work at the high levels deserves a second look. I'm not ready to book myself in a clinic, but I wouldn't trash talk the guy based on that video.
                                  www.destinationconsensusequus.com
                                  chaque pas est fait ensemble

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                                  • #18
                                    Besides the early canter work which I don't like at all, I find it odd that he drops the snaffle rein on the gray and rides off the curb alone. Now, it doesn't bother me because he isn't riding on much contact- it just seems strange.

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                                    • #19
                                      Once again, I think the *early canter work* that is so odd might be the horse that he saved that had serious injuries. The other horses and the rider look like the painting in the riding hall at the SRS.

                                      Think Austria, Bavaria, Russian Czars and you get the moustache .

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                                      • #20
                                        I had no idea the Burger King rode. Fascinating.

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