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Olympic Dressage Trainer Under Investigation for Horse Cruelty

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  • #61
    I don't like posting vaguely, but this is hitting VERY close to home for me. Seeing photos of those horses, I'm about to be sick.
    Riding: the gentle art of keeping the horse between yourself and the ground.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by enthusiasm_exceeds_ability View Post
      I don't like posting vaguely, but this is hitting VERY close to home for me. Seeing photos of those horses, I'm about to be sick.
      Me too! It's sickening.
      Libby

      There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". - Dave Barry

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      • #63
        Originally posted by SnarkyRider View Post
        But why not capitalize on the sensationalism of this story and use it to shine a spotlight on mistreated horses everywhere?
        Why not:
        1) facts slim
        2) official reports available even slimmer
        3) correlation does not equal causation aka prove that roasting a "one time Olympian" with few facts and lots of accusations increases the welfare of all other abused animal
        4) using sensationalism in order to raise awareness is bad PR practice and ends up making people question the veracity and reputation of those spewing the story well before any facts can be located.
        5) sensationalism is cheap, inaccurate and fast: real facts and logic require critical thinking, reality checking and time
        6) sensationalism = FUGLY blog, Jersey Shore, Jerry Springer does not make the world better, especially for horses being abused -- just makes people cranky and rabid
        7) sensationalism is mob rule -- vigilantes don't make the world wiser, safer or saner

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        • #64
          Being snarky is not making the world better. It just makes the world crazier with a bunch of snarky-wannabes running around feeling all proud of their little self-justified world and the craziness they create.

          Give me sound journalism and real facts with actual critical thinking any day.

          I can't wait until snarky gets boring and old hat. This too shall pass.

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          • #65
            hundreds ? on 4 acres?


            Yes, I have adopted from this group and have not only sponsored a few of them, I have actually taken a few of them for my kids. The horses that come off of this lot are someones pets most of the time and don't deserve an ending such as this. This beautiful grey, arab, gelding is one of them. If you can save him, do so and if it dosnt work out, you be his savor and find him another home. I run a HORSE RESCUE here in Sonoma County and have taken in hundreds of horses in this mannner. I also work with our local Animal Control agencies and take in the crimminal cases. The rescue you will be working with is amazing. You wont be sorry if you just reach out for this guy. Myself and a friend just sponsored the 3 remanining one's, the pregnant mare and 2 arabs. Any hesitation, give me a call 707-479-5639, Betsy Bueno, "Lost Hearts & Souls Horse Rescue"

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Justa Bob View Post
              I can't wait until snarky gets boring and old hat. This too shall pass.
              I thought that when I left high school. I'm still waiting for it to pass
              ....horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
              ~ Xenophon, 350 B.C.

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              • #67
                The horse in photos does look quite bad. The photos do not tell the story of what happened to this horse, only the current state.
                HOWEVER, having had older horses and "quirky" horses I have seen them drop seemingly 100lbs overnight, and what is more disheartening, drop weight precipitously while on good pasture with an appropriate companion (no running, no bickering, groom each other, etc.). Companion is getting fatter and the oldster is getting skinnier while grazing same lush pasture inseparably, 24/7 free choice.

                I really would like to know the full story before condemning the actions of this person. Perhaps the horses were placed with the family in hopes that pasture and a low stress environment would be better for them, perhaps they were supposed to be fed/cared for differently then they received, ... It really is sad, but perhaps the animal is so old as to not be able to digest things properly but is still bright eyed and eager to live.

                I am not defending nor condemning this person - the pictures are bad, that is what makes them good news, they are not the explanation of "truth".
                Horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
                ~ Xenophon, 350 B.C.

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                • #68
                  Please help us help this horse. She was thrown into a back pasture a year ago and left to go through the winter and no food. Her name is VALERIE. She deserves to live out her life in heaven and being treated like gold. Her vet bills are already mounting and special foods. She has heart distress due to her starvation, but we are working with that and hopefully she will make it through. For now we need your help Come and meet her.
                  Donations: Lost Hearts and Souls Horse Rescue, 616 Hunter Lane, Santa Rosa, Ca 95404, 707-479-5639 ask for Betsy Bueno
                  Donations: Saddles to Boots, 6144 Sebastopol, Sebastopol 707-823-9700 ask for Michelle Helberg Tack Donations or Cash


                  posted six days ago on Panda...strange that the story on Valerie has changed huh? but then again maybe all the mares there are named Valerie...??


                  Tamara
                  Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                  I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                  • #69
                    Regarding the Snarky Blog - yikes, the baby horse race was hard to watch. Who thinks of these things? Disgusting.
                    "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" Richard Bach

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                    • #70
                      Please help us help this horse. She was thrown into a back pasture a year ago and left to go through the winter and no food. Her name is VALERIE. She deserves to live out her life in heaven and being treated like gold. Her vet bills are already mounting and special foods. She has heart distress due to her starvation, but we are working with that and hopefully she will make it through. For now we need your help Come and meet her.
                      Donations: Lost Hearts and Souls Horse Rescue, 616 Hunter Lane, Santa Rosa, Ca 95404, 707-479-5639 ask for Betsy Bueno
                      Donations: Saddles to Boots, 6144 Sebastopol, Sebastopol 707-823-9700 ask for Michelle Helberg Tack Donations or Cash


                      posted six days ago on Panda
                      a different tale than horse dropped off in the middle of the night...but then again maybe all the mares there are named Valerie...??

                      Tamara
                      Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                      I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by SnarkyRider View Post
                        We actually spoke to Betsy Bueno of Lost Hearts & Souls Horse Rescue yesterday and she confirmed that the horses did belong to Gwen Stockebrand and one of the horses was even a former competition mount!

                        Valerie, bay horse approximately 28 years old, has a body score of 1 and has medical complications caused by starvation/malnourishment - she's unfortunately not out of the woods yet. Sister, black horse in her early 20's, has a body score of 3 and is faring better than Valerie.
                        hmmmm......

                        New member. Big salacious story. Lots of second-hand info...Rescue is asking for money. No facts.

                        Do we smell troll or other phishing scheme anyone?

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                        • #72
                          was the mare Valerie dropped off last week by said nefarious soul or left for a year by someone else in a field and then surrendered?

                          A phone call to Sonoma Co AC has said that nothings going on...

                          so we have a rescue naming a previous owner (w/o a seizure and two owners ago mind you)...who tells another dressage trainer to post it on a gossipy blog (Examiner.com)that THEN gets reprinted as the Gospel According To <insert favorite Deity> in 100 other places for the soul reason of......

                          wait for it....

                          "they wanted to tell everyone who was to blame"....

                          oh and we're having a fund raiser on the 30th ya'll come...

                          and that is just since I had my coffee this morning

                          Tamara
                          Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                          I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                          • #73
                            http://www.examiner.com/horses-in-sa...d-with-cruelty

                            Tamara
                            Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                            I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                            • #74
                              There is no accountability involved in this "paper" -- making for lots of sensationalism and no verification. It's all here-say.

                              Clare is obviously on a personal mission and is not an investigative reporter or journalist. She gets to pen her own bio.

                              QUOTE
                              "My goal, in this lifetime, is to try make this world a better place for horses. That is stated right at the beginning of my bio:

                              "Clare is a born horse lover ... and is motivated by that pure, simple and true love of horses. She is dedicated to improving the lives of horses worldwide ... one horse handler at a time."

                              --Clare Long, SF Horses Examiner

                              Sorry, should have advised readers to put on their hip waders.

                              Everyone deserves to have judgments made against them based on facts. Abuse allegations must be corroborated and factual. Accusations that are not based on any facts are just slander --- what a disservice to actual abuse victims. False accusations are like chasing after smoke instead of addressing real problems. There is an overabundance of evil and abuse in the world waiting to be fully and forcefully addressed.

                              Who knows what is the truth here? Who are the real victims? The real owner? What is the real story?

                              Guessing about it in cyberspace on this bb is not the truth.
                              Last edited by Justa Bob; Sep. 20, 2011, 08:04 PM.

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                              • #75
                                as I understood it Examiner.com makes it's money per "hit" on the articles..it's not even a real newspaper

                                sooooooo the more "juicy", well there you go...

                                Tamara
                                Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                                I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                                • #76
                                  Sounds kinda stinky to me. I will not judge the dressage person.....seems there might be a vendetta here?


                                  from;http://fuglyblog.com/

                                  “I didn’t know,” isn’t going to work for this toad, she delivered the horses to their new home after dark. Do you think it’s so she can claim she couldn’t see their bones in the dark, or was it so she could beat feet before the new adopters saw the train wrecks being dumped in their corral?
                                  &
                                  She recently gave away two aged mares to a family, dropping them off in the dark of night. The next morning, the new owner says he was so shocked by the horses’ condition, in the daylight, that he called Stockebrand to come get them. She was unavailable – she was reportedly at a dressage show in Las Vegas.

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                                  • #77
                                    As a longtime SoCo horse person my response here is -sigh-.

                                    As has been alluded to, Gwen has had "issues" for a long time, and in that sense I doubt anyone around these parts is surprised that something is coming to a head. Her personal and professional life has been in a bit of a shambles for some time.

                                    However, the rescue in this case is not the most, um, respected in this area. I would not look to them as a reliable source of information, and I'm not necessarily sure the horses are better off. I will wait until the ACC comes out with their findings. (As an aside, this rescue is not the one which normally handles ACC cases. So I suspect the horses went to the rescue first, then ACC was contacted, though that is conjecture on my part. )

                                    The whole thing is just sad. Sad for the poor horses, mainly. But man, if you never saw Gwen ride--she was once one of the most beautiful riders I've ever seen. She truly embodied the concept of being one with the horse. She is a cautionary tale, for sure. Just so damn sad.
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                                    • #78
                                      i do not know anything about this, but i DO know that the person who wrote the article is a trainer here and the article sounds very gossipy. i am not getting a good "feel" for the whys and wherefores of this "article"

                                      Gwen has been a very solid citizen of our horse community... well loved by many.

                                      i think we need to wait and see what the DA says before crucifying her.

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                                      • #79
                                        good grief:

                                        http://www.examiner.com/horses-in-sa...d-with-cruelty

                                        A fellow local trainer called me today, and stated that he thought it was terrible that I wrote such a scathing story about 'that other trainer', and that he was, and I quote, "very disappointed in me".

                                        He felt that I wrote the article for attention, to sensationalize the situation for my own good.

                                        This is not true.

                                        I wrote the story because Betsy Bueno of Lost Hearts and Souls Horse Rescue asked me to.

                                        She specifically asked me to print the trainer's name. Betsy thought it was imperative that people know about the situation, and who was to blame."

                                        so she write a story that might well ruin a well respected trainer because "someone asked her to name the trainer

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                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by Keg-A-Bacchus View Post
                                          I have no idea how a rider can get to Olympic levels and manage to let a horse deteriorate to this condition. It's beyond me.
                                          Gwen's website says she competed in the 1980 Olympics. That's over 40 years ago. Just because someone was an Olympic rider 40 years ago doesn't mean that in the years since, all has been well.

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