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  • Help me with Training Level Test 3: Update post #43

    I thought this question had been addressed earlier but, if it has, I can't find it.

    I am trying to improve my TL test 3 scores - and I always get dinged on the trot loops for not having enough bend. I'll be honest - I don't know which way to bend or how much. The first loop is after a track left at C, and goes HXK. Instead of me telling you how I ride it, could someone please tell me the correct way - for the entire loop? Same for loop tracking right that goes MXF.

    I even watched the USDF videos and couldn't get a good idea from that either.

    We did get the best score yesterday we've ever gotten on test 3 but there's lots of room for improvement. Help!!

    TIA!
    Last edited by oldernewbie; Aug. 13, 2011, 05:57 PM.

  • #2
    It's a shallow serpentine, change of bend over quarterline.

    I sometimes start practice with 3 10 meter circles, the middle one going the opposite direction, the acutal serpetine like the test will have less bend.

    I haven't ridden the new test 3, but i have a vid doing the the old test 4 where I got decent scores on the single loop I can dig up. The view is from E and not C, so not sure how much you can see though.

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    • #3
      I like to see the rider showing clear bend in the corner
      before the single loop movement starts, a change of
      bend on the quarter line, the rider hitting X maintaining
      the same bend, the a rechange of bend on the quarter
      line in preparation for the next corner.
      Many riders ride it too 'diagonal' like rather than 'S' like.
      www.settlementfarm.us

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      • #4
        It is not a shallow serpentine, it really is a broken line. The changes of flexion occur at the quarterlies, and the legs ask for the changes of bend. Adding a circle between X and the wall can also improve the flow of the work (while practicing).
        I.D.E.A. yoda

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          #5
          Oh I wish we could draw pictures on this forum!!

          So, I'm tracking left at C with a bend to the left in the first corner. Between H and X I bend to the right, then take a few steps straight at X and then between X and K I bend to the left or right? Someone told me it is a preparatory movement for leg yield in first level, but that just confuses me even more - if you were leg yielding back to the wall after X, wouldn't you be bent to the left?

          I think part of the confusion for me is that the Digital horse chart shows this movement as bend to the right between H and X, kind of straight at X, then bend to the right again between X and K. Is that right?

          And I did ride it like a diagonal the first time and that was not right at all.

          Sorry to be so dense but I got some conflicting info apparently.

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          • #6
            I was taught to ride it as follows: assuming you're tracking right (because I think that's what you're doing in T3?), come through the corner in right bend, maintain it to roughly the quarterline where you'll switch to left bend, keep that bend through x and when you're back at the quarterline, switch to the right bend again. It seems to work better without a lot of straight steps at any point. (dressagediosa, who sometimes posts here, explained it really well in an article for one of the dressage mags a few years ago.)

            This is me and the mare in a lesson back in 2009, practicing it (but in the other direction). She's not the most bendy mare in the world, and I am far less trained than she is... When we're coming towards the camera you will be able to see the change of bend.
            Last edited by quietann; Aug. 2, 2011, 10:55 AM.
            You have to have experiences to gain experience.

            1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by oldernewbie View Post
              Oh I wish we could draw pictures on this forum!!

              So, I'm tracking left at C with a bend to the left in the first corner. Between H and X I bend to the right, then take a few steps straight at X and then between X and K I bend to the left or right? Someone told me it is a preparatory movement for leg yield in first level, but that just confuses me even more - if you were leg yielding back to the wall after X, wouldn't you be bent to the left?
              Well, I wouldn't ride it that way... I go by what dotneko says.

              At C, you track left, so maintain left bend passing H, continue your left bend till you hit the quarter line. Quarter line is the long line running parallel to the long side of the arena, right in the middle between the A-C line and the edge of the arena. This is not a full circle so your bend is shallow.

              When you hit the quarter line, bend to right. Ride yout right bend passing X (you should now returning back to the long side of the arena, approaching K), continue your right bend till you hit the quarter line again.

              When you hit the quarter line, bend to left, continue your left bend to K, and continue on to A.

              You need to show three changes of bend, from left bend to right bend, back to left bend again, with each change of bend happening at the quarter line.

              At each change of bend, you literally feel like you leg yield for one step of two (not the whole time). So From left bend to right bend, one step before the quarter line, leg yield from your right leg to left to change bend, and continue. You don't really leg yield perse, but that is basically the same aid to ask for leg yield for one step.

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              • Original Poster

                #8
                Thank you all!

                No wonder I've not gotten good scores on this - I've been riding it wrong. Comment is usually "no bend". Guess I've been well judged as I didn't know when to do it or what to do.

                I knew you could help me and I really appreciate it. Monty and I thank you!!

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                • #9
                  Awesome, thanks guys! I was riding this wrong.....

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                  • #10
                    Should you change posting diagonals? For me it helps me change the bend (and half-halt), but I don't know if I should be doing that.

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                    • #11
                      You can change diagonals if you want. There should be no penalty if you choose to do so. OTOH, you and your horse should be able to change bend no matter which diagonal you're on.

                      (Practice by riding bend/counter-bend on circles and straight lines. Then asking for change of bend on a curving line is no big deal!)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by quietann View Post
                        I was taught to ride it as follows: assuming you're tracking right (because I think that's what you're doing in T3?), come through the corner in right bend, maintain it to roughly the quarterline where you'll switch to left bend, keep that bend through x and when you're back at the quarterline, switch to the right bend again. It seems to work better without a lot of straight steps at any point.
                        Yup, like this.

                        At an "ask the judge" clinic a few weeks ago, this is how the judge told us to ride it.

                        My trainer says to think of it like 3 10-meter circles.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by quietann View Post
                          I was taught to ride it as follows: assuming you're tracking right (because I think that's what you're doing in T3?), come through the corner in right bend, maintain it to roughly the quarterline where you'll switch to left bend, keep that bend through x and when you're back at the quarterline, switch to the right bend again. It seems to work better without a lot of straight steps at any point. (dressagediosa, who sometimes posts here, explained it really well in an article for one of the dressage mags a few years ago.)
                          That's how my instructor has me do it. But I've found that if I just think "one step straight" as I come up to the quarter line then change the bend, it's a smoother line.
                          Last edited by mp; Aug. 2, 2011, 11:17 AM.
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                          • #14
                            Here is a very good article on this movement from back in the Training Level, Test 4 days. http://www.laurensprieser.com/wp/wp-...alhorseman.pdf

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by fuzzy.pony View Post
                              Here is a very good article on this movement from back in the Training Level, Test 4 days. http://www.laurensprieser.com/wp/wp-...alhorseman.pdf
                              That's it! I completely forgot that it was in PH, not a dressage magazine.
                              You have to have experiences to gain experience.

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                              • #16
                                I hate hate hate these loops.

                                I think it's bizarre that this is the only test at any level with no ordinary trot circles in it.

                                If a judge type could explain to me why they like this test and these loops, and why it is that they are in this test but no other, I would be grateful.

                                The shape kind of works in the short arena as a set of connected 10m arcs but is just not right in a long arena.

                                I miss last year's training 3, with the figure 8 circles, which was my favorite of the training tests. Sniff.
                                If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                                • #17
                                  Also, if any test movement ever called out for an explicit diagram for the line to be ridden, it is this one. I very much would like to see the test itself call out the precise expected line in the short and long arena. Given how long these loops have been in the tests, it's nuts that there's not clear understanding of how we are expected to ride them.

                                  Edited to add: even the Practical Horseman article says that as written, the test calls for two straight lines. And yet, the judges seem to want the loopy line. There's no reason to make everyone guess.
                                  Last edited by poltroon; Aug. 2, 2011, 01:01 PM.
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                                  • #18
                                    IMHO, it is pretty clear that they don't want straight lines.

                                    1. The movement is called "one loop"

                                    2. The directives include shape of loop and changes of bend. Neither of those would occur if you did straight lines.

                                    I don't necessarily love the test either, but I think it serves the same purpose as a serpentine would at this level, i.e. can the horse maintain all the objectives of the level while changing bend.

                                    ETA: the movement with straight lines would be written
                                    "HXF, free walk on two diagonals"
                                    Last edited by joiedevie99; Aug. 2, 2011, 02:10 PM.

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                                    • #19
                                      Scribing this last weekend, the judge pointed out, "I wish more people rode it as a LOOP! It's a LOOP, not a zig-zag!"

                                      The earlier description wherein you maintain the bend out of the corner, change bend at the quarter line, maintain bend until the next QL and then switch is exactly what this judge was rewarding.

                                      Spectrum.

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                                      • #20
                                        I've been having trouble with this as well. Sorry if this is dense - but tell me if this is correct. Another way to say this would be that for the HXK loop, the "lines" from H to X and from X to K aren't straight lines at all, they are really shallow arcs? Is that correct?

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