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    When practicing half pass, my horse tends to feel as if he is not bending around my inside leg sufficiently, and 'going' into my outside rein properly. I feel as if I am creating the bend through my inside rein and both legs (inside leg is at the girth, outside leg supports the haunch) with not enough suppleness in the outside rein. I am sitting on the seat bone in the direction of travel.
    Therefore, my horse is tense in the topline during the half pass... Trot half passes are good, are great when he is supple. I mostly experience this tension through the topline in the canter half pass.

    Does anyone have any recommendations for exercises to help me?

  • #2
    I use half pass - leg yield - half pass to really
    speak to him about the inside leg.
    Both in trot and canter.

    You can also do half pass to shoulder in to half pass
    as sort of a stair-step pattern
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    • #3
      Originally posted by dotneko View Post
      I use half pass - leg yield - half pass to really
      speak to him about the inside leg.
      Both in trot and canter.

      You can also do half pass to shoulder in to half pass
      as sort of a stair-step pattern
      This. dotneko beat me to it. Remember to keep the rhythm!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by dotneko View Post
        I use half pass - leg yield - half pass to really
        speak to him about the inside leg.
        Both in trot and canter.

        You can also do half pass to shoulder in to half pass
        as sort of a stair-step pattern
        I love both these exercises. In addition, in a clinic with Cesar Parra he had me do medium across the diagonal, then switch to half pass. Amazing how the forward fixes a multitude of sins...
        From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.

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        • #5
          look here page 12 on leg yielding which covers the half pass video attached
          http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=178116

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Xpression View Post
            ...I am sitting on the seat bone in the direction of travel. ...
            Try putting your weight on the outside seat bone. Look at pictures of upper level riders riding HP. They are usually sitting more to the outside than the inside.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dotneko View Post

              do half pass to shoulder in to half pass
              as sort of a stair-step pattern
              THIS.

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              • #8
                If your horse is truly ready for half-pass in terms of strength and training, I'd suggest doing half-pass to shoulder in to half-pass as described above. I'd also suggest doing shoulder-in on the rail to haunches in to shoulder in, both in the true and counter direction. You shoudl be able to do a counter-shoulder-in, to haunches out, to counter-shoulder in on the rail and on the first-track. I think doing this on the rail is a true test of your straightness, because if your horse isn't straight he'll drift into the rail and he'll get upset. I'd also suggest suppling to the counter-bend (I.e. shoulder-in to renvers back to shoulder-in - that's a great way to teach your horse to move into different outside reins). You can also do these excercises across the diagonal. Your horse will have to really listen (and you will have to really deliver good aids) to pull this off. If you two can do this, the half-passes as presented in the tests will be alot easier because they are more straightforward.

                Good luck!
                Proud member of the Colbert Dressage Nation

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                • #9
                  Try putting your weight on the outside seat bone. Look at pictures of upper level riders riding HP. They are usually sitting more to the outside than the inside.
                  Jul. 25, 2011 01:26 AM
                  No, weight always and evermore to the bending leg in every
                  movement.
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                  • #10
                    If you can find S Peters Palm Beach freestyle ride, there was a camera showing his trot half pass from behind.I was amazed at his position, how 'down' his outside seatbone was,and how forward his outside shoulder!
                    (HP right is a troublesome movement for me, so it really struck me,as I tend to shorten my left side.)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dotneko View Post
                      No, weight always and evermore to the bending leg in every
                      movement.
                      whew! I just had a lesson yesterday where the lightbulb moment was realizing how crooked I was while I "felt" straight. I essentially was over-weighting the outside and leaning over that way a smidge. Correcting it and suddenly the haunches in and half pass were more forward, straighter and easier.

                      The mirror confirmed my straight status while I felt like I was "leaning" to the inside.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dotneko View Post
                        No, weight always and evermore to the bending leg in every
                        movement.
                        Not if you want anything even remotely like a HP on my mare. If you weight the inside, all you get is a pissed off horse. I've had BNTs tell me to weight the outside in HP to free up the inside to go sideways.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hampton Bay View Post
                          Not if you want anything even remotely like a HP on my mare. If you weight the inside, all you get is a pissed off horse. I've had BNTs tell me to weight the outside in HP to free up the inside to go sideways.
                          this is where internet instruction fails. When a good instructor is teaching you sees something, they give you the instruction to fix it, at that moment in time. Perhaps you were leaning in too far and blocking the inside, and the correct instruction was "weight the outside".

                          I absolutely have gotten opposite instructions over the years, and invariably, the instruction I got at the time worked to fix whatever we were working on. Then, riding alone 95% of the time, my propioception is not the same as reality, so I go too far the other way, and get fixed again, or the horse's balance was off at first and gets better.

                          What is cool is that once I find that correct place and learn to replicate it, it works on all the horses I ride (currently 3 of them).

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                          • #14
                            Even though your weight is always to the bending (bearing)
                            leg - remember the horse wants to move in balance and will
                            follow your weight, your leg aids are independent of your
                            weighted seat. In the half pass right for example, when the
                            right hind is in its grounded phase, your right leg is supporting while your left leg is asking the left hind to move sideways.
                            When the right hind is in its airborn phase, your right leg is slightly 'opening' to allow the right hind to swing sidewards while at the same time activating the right hind to push forwards.
                            If you weight the outside in the half pass, you lose engagement. It may work as a bandaid, but not for long term training.
                            Your outside seatbone is back, your outside leg is 'long'
                            your hips mirror the horse's hips and your shoulders mirror
                            his shoulders.
                            This is so much more difficult to write than ride
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                            • #15
                              One of the things that has helped me most in HP is to use my inside HIP - push forward with inside hip, that makes the inside leg "firmer" so that when you apply outside leg and rein horse must bend around inside leg.

                              I use that same hip position in SI to get and keep the bend (inside leg to outside rein).
                              Now in Kentucky

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                              • #16
                                I teach my students that they use the same basic
                                leg positioning for all lateral work.
                                If you are going right for example, your legs are in basic
                                'canter right' positioning. Half pass in trot and canter, shoulder in, travers, half pirouette in walk and canter, full pirouette in canter, canter depart all require the same relative positioning. The difference is the angle and degree of pressure from the legs (well, and obviously the rein aids). But if I was looking at
                                them from above, I would not be able to tell the movement
                                from their bodies.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Valentina_32926 View Post
                                  One of the things that has helped me most in HP is to use my inside HIP - push forward with inside hip, that makes the inside leg "firmer" so that when you apply outside leg and rein horse must bend around inside leg.

                                  I use that same hip position in SI to get and keep the bend (inside leg to outside rein).
                                  THIS. It also works for canter piros!
                                  Donerail Farm
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                                  • Original Poster

                                    #18
                                    Thanks for the exercise suggestions, I have been doing Half Pass-Leg Yield-Half Pass but have not done Half Pass-Shoulder In-Half Pass for a very long time.. forgot about it!

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                                    • #19
                                      Yes, sit on your outside seatbone, not your inside one. Don't think about bending the horse so much.

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                                      • #20
                                        Question for the 'weight on the outside seatbone'
                                        camp - where is your weight in SI and HI?
                                        Since half pass is HI on the diagonal, then I assume
                                        you will say weight on the outside in them also?
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