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  • Cobs in Dressage

    I have a youngster (2 yr old colt) that I am patiently waiting to grow and mature for starting u/s. Trainer lined up, now we just wait til he's ready.

    Just wondering how all you cob folks are doing with yours?
    At what levels are you? Do you find judges are at all negatively biased? ( as in, some judges love Fresians some hate them before they enter at A)

    I'm very very pleased with my boy thus far; as a colt he has yet to hit any fuglies or gawkies. Very very bright...a little hot, but not insane.

    Just wondering how, overall, the Cobs fare in the shows.

    I bought what I love beacuse at the end of the day, I have to 'love" it, even tho he isn't a breed specifically bred for dressage.

    Cardi, well we all know Cardi is doing well.
    What about the rank and file Cobs out there?

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      I haven't competed a cob myself (well, maybe back in the dark ages when I was still in jodphur boots), but I've had a number of friends who do, and a couple of students who dabbled with dressage on their hairy beasties.

      I'm not sure from your question what type of cob you have... Ultimately, you have to realise that there is a vast range of physical types that fall under the "cob" category... The difference between a sport-bred welsh cob and an average "gypsy" cob for example. Also, I wouldn't catergorize a Friesian as a cob. In general terms though, I don't think there's much outright judging bias, but in general horses with proportionally short legs will struggle if they can't track up sufficiently. It comes down to the individual horse's conformation, as with all other breeds.

      I do think any time you choose a non purpose-bred horse for dressage you have to love the journey of dressage and be willing to compete against your own goals rather than worry too much about placings. Best way to go IMO.
      Proud COTH lurker since 2001.

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      • #4
        http://www.annwylid.com/

        she has ridden <6> ? at least
        she would know.

        Tamara
        Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
        I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lost_at_C View Post

          I'm not sure from your question what type of cob you have... Ultimately, you have to realise that there is a vast range of physical types that fall under the "cob" category... .
          there is only one kind of Cob with a capital "C" however.

          Tamara
          Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
          I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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          • #6
            I have section D Welsh Cob that I ride at 3rd level now. I have done most all the training myself. I do get some help with him.
            It is hard work to get a ground loving horse to have suspension without running. But it can be done, I just don't expect everytime I ride and work deligently at it.
            He is by Kentchurch Chime, out of Princess Rosina. Bred by Mary Alice Williams. He is buckskin and 14.2 1/2 hands (-not a pony!).
            I love his funny personality, work ethic and that he is-a Welsh Cob.
            What is your Cob's breeding?

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            • #7
              there is only one kind of Cob with a capital "C" however.

              Tamara


              priceless ...

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              • #8
                Amy Riley is riding two"up nawth" (I think maybe Mass???)Apollo and Auryn
                Lisa Darling is riding at least four in AZ.(Monty and Resolute and Maddie and the other buckskin name escapes me...)
                There is always a strong TX contingent thanks to Chime and Madoc Stud there.
                Celia Evans has ridden them for at least a decade in N. Fl.(Daffyd)
                Lisa Brezina has Dundee in Indiana.

                need more coffee for the others :>

                Tamara
                Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                  Haha.yes I get the capital "C".

                  Grandsire Kentchurch Chime and also Nebo Calanog; sire Gallod Replica.

                  His gaits are very very elasticky and he has phenomenal extension. he is not at ALL stumpy. Beautiful long, arched neck, nicely uphill. Good bone and substance but not heavy and overdone. He's very light on those Cob feet of his. =)
                  Right now he's already taller than both parents; Rep is a C, Tori his Mom is a D.
                  I'm not terribly large, so I would like him to stay around 14-14'1ish...but I'm thinking he is going to easily pass that.

                  If I can figure out how to post a pic link I will. Mind you, he is just 2. =)

                  My personal goals are not really to reach GP level. I started riding wayyy too late in life to imagine that as a rider, I am ever hitting that level even on a school master. Ya never know, but that isn't my actual goal.
                  If it turns out he is cruising along, level-wise and I am an albatross, I'll have my trainer do some showing for me. =)

                  I'm really more about the process and journey and pushing to where we CAN go together, with also being versatile enough to hack out, and do a lot of other interesting things.

                  Just am interested in how overall, they tend do do in upper levels.

                  Thanks for the responses. =)

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                    Ah..and my colt's dam is Madoc Queen Victoria. =)

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                    • #11
                      I have a 5yo out of Northforks Cardi who does double duty as a combined driving horse and a dressage horse. Did his first recognized show at Training level last weekend. Lots of fun!
                      Friesians Rule !!

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                      • #12
                        I compete a cob at third, and are preparing to do 4th/PSG in a few weeks. Just earned the bronze on her. Mostly self trained with excellent help along the way.

                        She likes the upper level work. However, her main weaknesses are the mediums and extensions. Her plus is the canter, walk and lateral work.

                        Great work ethic, and mind. Wouldn't trade her out for the world.
                        Kelly
                        It is rare to see a rider who is truly passionate about the horse and his training, taking a profound interest in dressage with self-abnegation, and making this extraordinarily subtle work one of the dominant motivations of his life.\"

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                        • #13
                          I'm finding there are more and more riders showing Cobs in dressage all of the time. Tamara started a good list of some of the ones out there showing Banquo Welsh Cobs www.banquocobs.com also regularly competes with her Cobs in dressage, especially with her mares, and most are Gallod breeding.

                          I show Section D Welsh Cob stallion Goldhills Brandysnap in dressage as well...although we kind of took a hiatus from showing in dressage the last year or two to concentrate on the Welsh circuit.

                          To answer the OP's question, I personally haven't seen a bias against the Cobs in the ring. For the majority of judges out there, a good ride is a good ride...whether you are on a warmblood or a donkey! I've been showing dressage for approximately 20+ years, and the only thing I've noticed with showing Cobs is that I'll often have the judge ask me at the end of the test, "What breed is he?".
                          www.DaventryEquestrian.com
                          Home of Welsh Cob stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
                          Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness
                          www.EquineAppraisers.com

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                            Originally posted by Tamara in TN View Post
                            there is only one kind of Cob with a capital "C" however.

                            Tamara
                            That's certainly a new one on me! Guess I spent too much time in their country of origin.
                            Proud COTH lurker since 2001.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Xfactor View Post
                              Haha.yes I get the capital "C".

                              sire Gallod Replica.

                              Thanks for the responses. =)
                              A great pony...I have one of his sisters

                              Tamara
                              Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                              I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                                #16
                                I should have been more clear. I meant WELSH Cob. Had forgotten about any other cobby types/breeds. =)

                                What I appreciate most is a nice Welsh Cob that is true to its type yet can also perform very respectably in dressage.
                                Amy's boys are quite lovely and are also out of the wonderful stud Tomas. (Nebo Calanog)
                                I am hoping Tomas's magic holds strong for me as it has for so many!

                                I'd love to see any pics anyone has to share!

                                As for the bias thing; well, I was unfortunate enough to actually hear a pretty negative remark about a "carraige horse" doing dressage. I was hoping that is not the general thought process regarding some of the non traditional breeds like the Fresian and Cob.

                                I suppose as in any and all sports there are hardcore and absolute purists. I used to compete in schutzhund and tho the trials were open to all breeds, most of the hardcore German judges would have died before giving high in trial to a Bouvier or Dobermann! =)

                                thanks for the information and personal accounts. Appreciate it. Now to have the next 18 months pass. =)

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                                • #17
                                  To the bias question - I have a story. I was once showing my half-arabian mare a rated Arabian show that also hosted an open dressage show the same weekend. At the time I also had a very young Friesian sporthorse filly that I had not started yet. Yes, I know - Arabian and Friesian crosses. I am obviously not too concerned with not having the most accepted "standard" in dressage horses.

                                  Anywho - I brought up my friesian cross filly to the judge on Friday night. Her initial response was something like - "you bought a Friesian-cross because you thought it was pretty, BUT... they are pullers (ie - not right for dressage)". I was a bit bummed.

                                  Well, I saw the judge the next day after the dressage tests were underway and when we spoke that time she said this: "Well, you always learn something. I just saw a Friesian perform a very lovely PSG today, so there you go!"

                                  I took that to heart that even though there may be some negative bias towards certain breeds initially- a good test with a good horse will always be rewarded regardless.

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                                  • #18
                                    To clarify - I was speaking with the judge of the dressage show in my previous post.

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                                    • #19
                                      I think you have already answered your question! If you love your horse and want to enjoy the journey, give it a try! I have heard that almost any horse can get to second level with proper training. You may get some "attitude" from others, but you can't please everyone! Good luck!

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                                        #20
                                        Thanks Englishcowgirl; yes, I'm no stranger to going against the flow as my current horse is probably even less "traditional".

                                        I do know of a couple trainers, my own is one of them, who are or have done very very well with their Cobs. The good ones have such great brains, work ethics and have very NON pony gaits. Like riding a comfy sofa. =)

                                        I would enjoy pics tho, if anyone has any to share. =)

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