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Reiner Klimke/Ahlerich Demonstrating Passage/Piaffe

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  • Reiner Klimke/Ahlerich Demonstrating Passage/Piaffe

    So, what do you see in this video that's different from what you see today?

    http://youtu.be/fBq5rJM4XvI
    "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

  • #2
    Goodness, that dropped noseband is low.

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    • #3
      Poll is the highest point, the horse never rolls behind the vertical. SOOOO nice to see, again.

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      • #4
        I like the soft expression and chewing of the bit. They are both quite relaxed. It looks easy!

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        • #5
          Biggest thing to me was lack of lowering of the haunches, which to me made the piaffe look softer. I did a quick google search and couldn't find when the rules change was on that one.


          Overall, the head position is slightly different, but he still has the suppleness through his body which is so important today. As much as I love the idea of purely classical dressage, very often looking at videos of old rides there is less suppleness and more muscle on the underside of the neck.
          Originally posted by Silverbridge
          If you get anything on your Facebook feed about who is going to the Olympics in 2012 or guessing the outcome of Bush v Gore please start threads about those, too.

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          • #6
            no physical fights

            no one could/ would say "the rider has to lift weights to hold in this horse" Klimke even says "the horse must work, not the rider"
            breeder of Mercury!

            remember to enjoy the moment, and take a moment to enjoy and give God the glory for these wonderful horses in our lives.BECAUSE: LIFE is What Happens While Making Other Plans

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            • #7
              simple

              It's all in a snaffle.!
              breeder of Mercury!

              remember to enjoy the moment, and take a moment to enjoy and give God the glory for these wonderful horses in our lives.BECAUSE: LIFE is What Happens While Making Other Plans

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              • #8
                How it should NOT be!

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1jF4E4QnAg&NR=1
                breeder of Mercury!

                remember to enjoy the moment, and take a moment to enjoy and give God the glory for these wonderful horses in our lives.BECAUSE: LIFE is What Happens While Making Other Plans

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                • #9
                  A little late to the party, aren't you? I mean, Mike, we already just finished a long discussion on good piaffe and passage and Reiner was included. Guess it's your turn to come and start something late.
                  "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by alicen View Post
                    Goodness, that dropped noseband is low.
                    It is meant to be, it is a "dropped" noseband. Not for e very horse but they can be more effective and kinder than the flash and cavesson set up.

                    I was watching the seat or Dr. Klimke and am inspired to sit quieter ( again). I watched again and concentrated on hands, I have goals.
                    I watched a third time and was watching the horse and was reminded of the basic tenet of dressage " A willing submission to the riders aids". This horse/rider should have received 10s for this collective mark.
                    bad decisions make good stories

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                    • #11
                      Soft, willing horse and amazingly quiet rider...no "pumping" up and down with the seat.

                      Also, the piaffe is truly a piaffe...not a "passage in place."

                      Those are the difference I see in one, cursory viewing. Boy, I'm glad I'm headed to the barn this evening to ride. On days when I can't get there, and I view these kinds of videos, it nearly KILLS me that I can't get on my horse that day!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Behind the 8 Ball View Post
                        It is meant to be, it is a "dropped" noseband. Not for e very horse but they can be more effective and kinder than the flash and cavesson set up.
                        Back in the day, there were dropped nosebands and then there were dropped nosebands.

                        And what if Mr. Mateson had offered this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKbqokuTzh8 at 6:01.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                          A little late to the party, aren't you? I mean, Mike, we already just finished a long discussion on good piaffe and passage and Reiner was included. Guess it's your turn to come and start something late.
                          I see you missed an important part of the video I posted vs. the thread you referenced. I'll give you some time to noodle it through and figure it out.
                          "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

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                          • #14
                            Biggest thing I noticed was the regular cadence and engagement of the hind end. Too many time in piaffe we see the hocks hardly bending at all and the hind legs barely clearing the ground while the 2 beat cadence become more like 4 beats.

                            Rider also has his legs back yet (to keep hind end engaged) and is NOT wearing spurs nor spurring the horse at every stride - which is apparently the norm now.

                            Lovely video - Thanks Mike!
                            Now in Kentucky

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                              #15
                              You are welcome. It's a brand new video, just recently posted. Glad folks are enjoying it and seeing The Master at work.
                              "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

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                                #16
                                And for those wanting to know what is said in the video (thanks to a translation on another BB):

                                Reiner Klimke points out that the tail is carried in a relaxed fashion. He emphasizes that the aids have to be quiet and invisible and the seat has to be quiet so that the rider doesn't disturb the horse. The rider is also expected to let the horse get on with it without interference by the rider. He then says riding this way means very little physical effort is required of the rider. And the praise at the end he terms an 'aid'.
                                "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by alicen View Post

                                  And what if Mr. Mateson had offered this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKbqokuTzh8 at 6:01.
                                  Lots of spurring and pumping going on in this one. Ahlerich must have been very tired.

                                  The schooling piaffe is so much nicer.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by LarkspurCO View Post
                                    Lots of spurring and pumping going on in this one. Ahlerich must have been very tired.

                                    The schooling piaffe is so much nicer.
                                    No kidding!

                                    For anyone who has SCHOOLED the passage and piaffe then COMPETED the passage and piaffe knows that the timing and placement of the schooling versus competing is completely different.

                                    You can SCHOOL whenever you feel the horse and rider is ready. The balance is perfect. The timing is perfect. The conditions are perfect.

                                    When you COMPETE you must demonstrate the passage and piaffe as the test requires whether or not all the stars are lined up in the universe.

                                    I certainly wish I could have the judges come see us and score us while schooling rather than in the ring.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Valentina_32926 View Post
                                      Biggest thing I noticed was the regular cadence and engagement of the hind end. Too many time in piaffe we see the hocks hardly bending at all and the hind legs barely clearing the ground while the 2 beat cadence become more like 4 beats.

                                      Rider also has his legs back yet (to keep hind end engaged) and is NOT wearing spurs nor spurring the horse at every stride - which is apparently the norm now.

                                      Lovely video - Thanks Mike!
                                      Look again. He IS wearing spurs.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Mike Matson View Post
                                        I see you missed an important part of the video I posted vs. the thread you referenced. I'll give you some time to noodle it through and figure it out.
                                        Um, no. It fits with the other thread as an example of piaffe and passage. Nothing more, nothing less. Tack doesn't make this any different from what was discussed in the other thread.

                                        Maybe you should noodle on that...
                                        "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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