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  • Show me a GREAT Piaffe & Passage

    Ok, in the interest of educating my eye, I would like folks to post videos of what they consider better-than-average piaffes & passages.

    NOT necessarily one that scored high, but one that actually fits the critera as outlined in the USDF rule book.

    Doesn't have to be a WB either -- I'd love to see some other breeds as well.

    Here's two of mine:

    #1 -- In hand only, but very impressed with how much this horse is actually sitting. See how much lower his hind end is compared to the front.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BKtO...feature=fvwrel

    #2 -- Because I love my Akhal Tekes -- Absent. PB Teke stallion who won multiple Gold medals in dressage at the Olympics (under 2 different riders). By the time he retired, he'd competed in 3 Games and won more Olympic dressage medals than any horse in history till Rembrandt came along.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0_AS_YBFks

  • #2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svCYKQmAchk

    Rembrandt with Nicole Uphoff
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    • #3
      Blu Hors Matine and Andreas Helgstrand
      www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKQgTiqhPbw
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      • #4
        I'll avoid the most obvious choice for the sake of reopening THAT discussion. This is perhaps the second most obvious, but since I'm the first to reply I'll post it anyway.

        Balagur. Start video at about 2:00 in.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cE_O9tKnCA
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        • #5
          passage starts at around 14 secs then piaffe after that

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL2UzAhLp1c

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DutchDressageQueen View Post
            passage starts at around 14 secs then piaffe after that

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL2UzAhLp1c
            Really?

            That extra toe-tapping with the hindlegs is desirable?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
              Really?

              That extra toe-tapping with the hindlegs is desirable?
              Agreed. A+ for effort and intent, C- for execution. Still very worth watching though.
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              • #8
                I find Neckermann's 1960 piaffe fun to watch. It's interesting to see how it has changed over the years.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5IKb5Cu2ok

                Watch Goldenstern: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDipLXeJ7dA

                Annabel Balkenhol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSYs9...eature=related

                Juan Munoz Diaz on Fuego: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXJpf...eature=related

                Steffen Peters and Ravel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSIoD-Y5QZA

                The one thing you will notice is that each horse has it's strengths and weaknesses and while you might be able to study and see what is "better" you need to be sure you learn to recognize when a horse is doing it's best in something. You leverage every strength and then do what you can with something that's weaker.

                You can also look at Toto and a lot of Anky's rides and mounts. You'll see differences in them all. Some horses sit more, some have more loft, some lose the rhythm, some have amazing cadence. It's fun to see the differences and recognize the hard work from all of them.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DutchDressageQueen View Post
                  passage starts at around 14 secs then piaffe after that

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL2UzAhLp1c
                  Um, yeah, that's not good. That horse looks frantic and stressed out about it. It's as if he's being asked to sit TOO hard for his conformation and to move with a rhythm he finds uncomfortable. I feel sorry for Painted Black in that video.

                  Here's Anky on Salinero, and if you notice he's lifting his backside too high--which is opposite of Painted Black in his video. You can see the differences and you can really tell the stress levels between the two. One is just less correct (maybe the horse finds it hard) but not frantic:

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPJGE...eature=related
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                    Um, yeah, that's not good. That horse looks frantic and stressed out about it. It's as if he's being asked to sit TOO hard for his conformation and to move with a rhythm he finds uncomfortable. I feel sorry for Painted Black in that video.

                    Here's Anky on Salinero, and if you notice he's lifting his backside too high--which is opposite of Painted Black in his video. You can see the differences and you can really tell the stress levels between the two. One is just less correct (maybe the horse finds it hard) but not frantic:

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPJGE...eature=related
                    anky's is very nice.
                    As you may have noticed in painted black's video it was just for show, and yes you can see that hans peter minderhoud is pushing him. still it is not bad.


                    this is one of the best piaffe's I've seen >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubcDKBcPXYs

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DutchDressageQueen View Post
                      still it is not bad.
                      But ...the horse has three legs on the ground at a time.

                      Instead of 2,2/2,2/2,2 he is doing 3,2/3,2/3,2. Sometimes it is almost 3,3/3,3/3,3. The hind legs hop up and down nearly simultaneously and the front legs switch backand forth.

                      He has completely lost the clarity of the gait and is doing his footfalls at random.

                      How is that "not bad"?
                      It is great that he is sitting down and all but how is that still even "piaffe"?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                        But ...the horse has three legs on the ground at a time.

                        Instead of 2,2/2,2/2,2 he is doing 3,2/3,2/3,2. Sometimes it is almost 3,3/3,3/3,3. The hind legs hop up and down nearly simultaneously and the front legs switch backand forth.

                        He has completely lost the clarity of the gait and is doing his footfalls at random.

                        How is that "not bad"?
                        It is great that he is sitting down and all but how is that still even "piaffe"?
                        Please notice the part where I said that in the video, it was just for show, not in an actual competition.

                        For competition, it is too irregular. I agree

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DutchDressageQueen View Post
                          Please notice the part where I said that in the video, it was just for show, not in an actual competition.

                          For competition, it is too irregular. I agree
                          For PIAFFE it is too irregular.

                          Who cares whether they are being scored or not?
                          If the gait is lost the gait is lost.
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                          • #14
                            http://youtu.be/_6QYTJrGwEo

                            Just a few steps but they are so correct

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kyzteke View Post

                              #1 -- In hand only, but very impressed with how much this horse is actually sitting. See how much lower his hind end is compared to the front.

                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BKtO...feature=fvwrel
                              Yes, he has great ability over his back, but look at the lack of energy in the hind legs and the uneven arc. That will come with time. (the video says it's his 5th or 6th time in piaffe)
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                                For PIAFFE it is too irregular.

                                Who cares whether they are being scored or not?
                                If the gait is lost the gait is lost.
                                Yes, and as training it's wrong. Every time a horse is ridden it is being trained. I don't think blowing a horse's mind with attempted grandeur like that is good or productive in any way. I do think it's an excellent video to demonstrate the impurity that results from asking more than a horse is capable of, and focusing on the extremes of a movement over rhythm, relaxation and purity. I find it interesting to watch PB's responses as the rider continues the ask.
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                                • #17
                                  Kyzteke,

                                  The first piaffe you posted had some backward steps which is a big error.


                                  Invasor got 10's on his piaffe and passage if I remember correctly.

                                  http://youtu.be/bUumhS0t8kU

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                                  • #18
                                    The best piaffe/passage tour in a show that I have ever seen was the last centerline in the Grand Prix Special at the WEG 2010 - Toto and Gal, the crowd jumped to its feet as one body for a standing ovation!

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Manni01 View Post
                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svCYKQmAchk

                                      Rembrandt with Nicole Uphoff
                                      Thanks for posting this--the lightness and athleticism of this pair still bring me such joy.

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                                      • #20
                                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM41ALbejKk

                                        some of my own passage

                                        the first part which was kind of passage, I did not ask for, he did himself cause he was excited. The second time ( at around 30 secs) he did it again, and then I also asked for it.

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