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  • Does this saddle fit me?

    Got my answers, thank you!!
    Last edited by TheBrightSide06; Jun. 21, 2011, 03:19 PM.
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    Sorry but your links dont work.

    Try right clicking on the photo you want to share, click on Properties, and highlight the URL and copy and paste that to the forum.
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    • #3
      That works.

      To me, you either need a saddle with longer flaps or a bigger seat to accomidate your long thigh. Seat size isnt just about the size of your rear. Plunty of thin riders such as yourself need 17.5 or even 18 seats depending on how the saddle is balanced and shaped.

      Also, is that a riser pad under the saddle?
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        #4
        Originally posted by KrazyTBMare View Post
        That works.

        To me, you either need a saddle with longer flaps or a bigger seat to accomidate your long thigh. Seat size isnt just about the size of your rear. Plunty of thin riders such as yourself need 17.5 or even 18 seats depending on how the saddle is balanced and shaped.

        Also, is that a riser pad under the saddle?
        It is a bounce pad, or at least that's what my old instructor called it. I put it on him out of a force of habit. Don't think he needs it, really.
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        • #5
          I am sure more qualified people will weigh in but in my eyes it looks small. It appears as though your seat is getting pushed back towards the cantle which will force your upper body forward. Did you have a saddle fitter out to look at your saddle and if so, what did he/she say about the fit for you?

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          • #6
            Agree, it's too small. It's really about the seat here. I don't think anything about the flap is causing this. Even if the flap is forcing you to sit this far back on the cantle, you simply don't have room to scoot forward. There's just enough room in front of you now, and you could even possibly use a smidge more.

            If you look at this particular model saddle, I'd say you need a full 1" larger. But a different model may mean 1/2", or more than 1", depending on the shape and depth of the seat.
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            • #7
              Looks too small to me, which could be contributing to tipping your upper body forward. If you have trouble with your shoulders already, the last thing you want is to have to fight against a poorly-fitting saddle!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KrazyTBMare View Post
                  That works.

                  To me, you either need a saddle with longer flaps or a bigger seat to accomidate your long thigh. Seat size isnt just about the size of your rear. Plunty of thin riders such as yourself need 17.5 or even 18 seats depending on how the saddle is balanced and shaped.

                  Also, is that a riser pad under the saddle?
                  Speaking as someone with a very long thigh, I just have to disagree with you that this is a reason to go up in seat size. In DRESSAGE (it's not such an issue in a jumping saddle) going up in the seat size to accommodate a long thigh is a huge mistake a lot of people make. You need to find a saddle that fits you perfectly both in the seat, and in the thigh--if you want to go far and ride upper levels on that horse. You need to have a secure seat and one that's too big does not help a rider have a secure seat. While I like it flatter, I still would NEVER get one that's too big if I were to work a horse with the goal of the mid and upper levels.

                  Even if it means buying custom, you need to fit the whole rider's body. Seat and leg. With that said, I'm wondering if it's different (where the seat ends up) without stirrups--when the leg hangs. You want some room in the saddle, just not too much, but I do agree that if you have thigh blocks that are pushing at your knee (it sort of looks that way) it will push your seat back, too.

                  For long legged and long thighed riders, I will always suggest LESS thigh and knee roll since you need more room to put your leg in the correct position and you don't want it forced in an unnatural one--one that is meant for a rider with a shorter leg (especially thigh).

                  Keep shopping. There a TON of options out there! Even custom and semi-custom ones--and often used.
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                  • #10
                    going up in the seat size to accommodate a long thigh is a huge mistake a lot of people make.
                    I disagree.

                    Seat size is determined by by the length of your thigh as well as the stoutness of your bottom. Look at a dressage saddle from the side and find the lowest point, and imagine your seatbones settling there. Now look at the stirrup bar ... it is in front of the deepest part of the seat by a few inches. The angle between those too points is very important. If your saddle is too big for you, that stirrup bar will put your leg way out in front, if it's too small, the angle is too steep. There is an ideal distance/angle from the sitting point to the stirrup bar, depending on the length of your thigh. If we were all of 'slim build' then this would be all we'd need to determine seat size. However, for most of us, the actual bulkiness of our bottom can become a limiting factor. An exceptionally tall, slim person can manage to sit in a tiny 16inch saddle but the geometry is all wrong. A short, tubby person like me has to go up to a larger seat size than their leg would otherwise warrant - but it's a compromise. We would be better balanced if we were less bulky around the beam, and in a more suitable seat size for our stubby legs.

                    For the OP : abandon all these correction pads unless you are trying to correct a particular problem. Adding a bounce pad raises the back of the saddle, which you would do if a saddle was too narrow and therefore tipping up at the front. By raising the back of a saddle that is too narrow, all you do is put even more pressure on the points which are already pinching. Never use a bounce pad to raise the back, unless you are dealing specifically with a very uphill, or very sway-backed horse, and have looked carefully at where exactly you are trying to 'fill in' the horse's back to balance the saddle. I agree that this seat size is too small for your enviably long leg and your particular geometry will be better suited to a larger seat size, and a longer flap.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KateWooten View Post
                      For the OP : abandon all these correction pads unless you are trying to correct a particular problem. Adding a bounce pad raises the back of the saddle, which you would do if a saddle was too narrow and therefore tipping up at the front. By raising the back of a saddle that is too narrow, all you do is put even more pressure on the points which are already pinching. Never use a bounce pad to raise the back, unless you are dealing specifically with a very uphill, or very sway-backed horse, and have looked carefully at where exactly you are trying to 'fill in' the horse's back to balance the saddle. I agree that this seat size is too small for your enviably long leg and your particular geometry will be better suited to a larger seat size, and a longer flap.
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                      • #12
                        you need the next size up

                        and an unsolicited critique:
                        think of bringing the bottoms of your shoulderblades together. your horse will never truly be "through" until you get those shoulders back and down and get a real connection through the bridle.
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                        • #13
                          Saddle is too small...you look jammed. That sure looks to be a riser pad yoy are using. Time go back to the drawing board and find a saddle that fits that horse instead of using gimmick pads like this to try and make it fit and that also fills in the gullet and puts pressure on the spine of the horse.

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                          • #14
                            No, you need at least one inch bigger, IMO. Looking at the photos, you're actually sitting on the cantle. BUT, how much bigger a seat you need depends on how deep/flat the seat is. It almost looks lik you're riding in a 16 or a 16.5 seat, and need to be up to a 17 or 17.5. If you can, get to the nearest tack shop and ask to sit in a bunch of different dressage saddles with someone who knows how to fit both horse and rider until you find the one that suits you best. (This from a somewhat reformed eBay saddle buying junkie!)

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                            • #15
                              I agree that it's too small.

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                                #16
                                I've got what I needed to hear, thanks

                                And Petstorejunkie, it is almost physically impossible for me to keep my shoulders where they need to be, as my left one likes to come out of socket. Trust me, I've improved, and it's taken many years to get to where I am now. I'm trying!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by KateWooten View Post
                                  I disagree.

                                  Seat size is determined by by the length of your thigh as well as the stoutness of your bottom.
                                  Nope. Nope. Nope. You really need to be careful about making such incorrect statements. Maybe go talk to a saddle fitter or even look on some custom and semi-custom saddle shop sites to get a better understanding.

                                  Saddle fitting 101. The seat is for the riders backside and it needs to be the right size for the size of the person's backside--has nothing to do with the thigh. The flaps are where you handle the thigh and rest of the leg--and what needs to be fitted there.

                                  I can tell you must not have a long thigh and small backside. Otherwise, you never would have made this comment. In jumping saddles yes, you can go up a seat size, but even there, you SHOULD have one that has the correct seat size and different flaps that match your leg.

                                  Why in the world do you think the custom and semi-custom offer options for different seat sizes and flaps? (Not to mention that fact that different manufacturers have different flaps, seats, etc. that fit different body types and thigh lengths.) The old cheap fix used to be to tell people to go up a size. It really isn't a fix. It creates it's own group of problems as the rider works up the levels--especially on a big moving horse. It's not about sacrificing, it's about fit. There are many options out there and the fit for each rider can be found.

                                  The argument about the stirrup bar is incorrect. If a longer thighed person is in a larger seated saddle, used only at provide additional room for their length of thigh which puts there knee in the knee roll, then their seat is too far BEHIND the stirrup bar to make it work well. It will throw the rider in the back of the saddle, making it very difficult to balance over the leg when it is stretch long and on the horse's side.
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                                    Nope. Nope. Nope. You really need to be careful about making such incorrect statements. Maybe go talk to a saddle fitter or even look on some custom and semi-custom saddle shop sites to get a better understanding.

                                    Saddle fitting 101. The seat is for the riders backside and it needs to be the right size for the size of the person's backside--has nothing to do with the thigh. The flaps are where you handle the thigh and rest of the leg--and what needs to be fitted there.

                                    I can tell you must not have a long thigh and small backside. Otherwise, you never would have made this comment. In jumping saddles yes, you can go up a seat size, but even there, you SHOULD have one that has the correct seat size and different flaps that match your leg.

                                    Why in the world do you think the custom and semi-custom offer options for different seat sizes and flaps? (Not to mention that fact that different manufacturers have different flaps, seats, etc. that fit different body types and thigh lengths.) The old cheap fix used to be to tell people to go up a size. It really isn't a fix. It creates it's own group of problems as the rider works up the levels--especially on a big moving horse. It's not about sacrificing, it's about fit. There are many options out there and the fit for each rider can be found.

                                    The argument about the stirrup bar is incorrect. If a longer thighed person is in a larger seated saddle, used only at provide additional room for their length of thigh which puts there knee in the knee roll, then their seat is too far BEHIND the stirrup bar to make it work well. It will throw the rider in the back of the saddle, making it very difficult to balance over the leg when it is stretch long and on the horse's side.
                                    So a seat that is too big could potentially throw me in a chair-seat position?
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by SillyKobie View Post
                                      So a seat that is too big could potentially throw me in a chair-seat position?
                                      Velvet is correct. I have very long femurs (freakish is what one trainer said ). I don't have a particularly petite backside but buying a bigger saddle didn't help me. I had to buy a saddle with the correct flap configuration for my leg and the right size for my seat.

                                      I'm a hair under 6' tall and I ride in either a 17.5" or 18" saddle depending on the seat depth and the flap. My Roosli, which was ordered for MY legs, is a 17.5 and it fits me fine.

                                      My jumping saddles are also cut for people with my conformation.

                                      I tried going up a size -- it didn't help put my leg in the right position and it meant that I floated in the saddle.
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                                        Sounds like what happened to me, as my previous 2 dressage saddles were 18" and it threw me WAY off balance. 17.5" was a little better, 17" was very good. But If the flaps are going to fit my legs they will have to be about 18" long.
                                        I'll stay away from getting a bigger seat for leg room. Going with the bigger seat has only harmed me in the past.

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