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Totilas/Rath's new free style, live stream Sunday

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  • Totilas/Rath's new free style, live stream Sunday


    Totilas goes second to last at 7:55 eastern DST.

  • #2
    Thank you!
    "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier


    • Original Poster

      You're welcome.


      • Original Poster

        Sometimes you need to refresh after a break to get the stream back.


        • #5
          Well, I didn't get any goosebumps. The walk music worked well as did some parts of the canter music. The trot music didn't do much for me. It will be interesting to see what others thought.

          85.55% - First place.
          Last edited by Mike Matson; Jun. 19, 2011, 08:18 AM.
          "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier


          • #6
            I found that terribly disappointing. Not the horse I've seen in the past by any stretch, but maybe it's still early days. Still, I think it was seriously overscored all things considered. The music didn't add anything IMO. I'm going to watch my recording of Toto at WEG now just out of interest.

            ...Well, that was an interesting exercise - watching the WEG freestyle and this one back to back. I feel a bit more forgiving of Rath now, but the big difference for me though is the level of purity and relaxation that Toto had then as compared to this one today. I hope that's just down to the length of the partnership and we'll see the new pairing show off better in future. When he's on form it's so easy to forgive those minor weaknesses in the presence of such greatness - and I want to see that again! (and better music).
            Last edited by Lost_at_C; Jun. 19, 2011, 08:20 AM. Reason: addendum
            Proud COTH lurker since 2001.


            • #7
              I agree with you on the overscoring for this freestyle.
              "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier


              • Original Poster

                Is there a pro dvd out there of the way Totilas used to be? I'd buy it in a jiffy. And now I'm going to go hug the horses.


                • #9
                  I watched the GP on Friday in person. Although I have never been either over the moon or a detracter of Totilas, I was saddened by the GP and the obvious differences in the horse since WEG.
                  I hope time will help the new partnership, but I left the competition thinking that Edward Gal had the horse of a lifetime and Totilas , his special person in Edward.
                  I have not seen the freestyle, but thought I would comment as I saw them in person 48 hours ago.
                  Maryanna Haymon- Marydell Farm - Home to Don Principe & Doctor Wendell MF
                  2012 USDF Champion Breeder! 2007, 2011 USEF Champ Breeder
                  2009,2010,2011 USDF Res Breeder of the Year!


                  • #10
                    My personal opinion is I think some of the money going into these top freestyles is wasted. The designers are going way overboard with "symphonic masterpieces" that don't really flow with the horse's gait beats or way of moving. A lot of money being paid with minimal emotive impact on the audience.
                    "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier


                    • #11
                      Mike, I completely agree with you. That issue stood out today. I am so very tired of elevator-music versions of pop songs or these odd digital creations that seem to be really flavorless and make horses look like they're moving in a swamp. How many freestyle designers these days are also riders/trainers? I haven't kept track of trends in FS since the early 90s.
                      Proud COTH lurker since 2001.


                      • #12
                        Is there a replay available? Had bad storms this morning and Internet was down
                        It is rare to see a rider who is truly passionate about the horse and his training, taking a profound interest in dressage with self-abnegation, and making this extraordinarily subtle work one of the dominant motivations of his life.\"


                        • Original Poster

                          Originally posted by tempichange View Post
                          Is there a replay available? Had bad storms this morning and Internet was down
                          pm'd you.


                          • #14
                            No theme to the freestyle. Little synchronization of the music with the horse's gaits. And yet an 85.55% and first place. Very disappointing. There was actually one canter pirouette where it sounded like there was no music!
                            "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier


                            • #15

                              I love Totilas... but that was dreadful! The music was awful, and the extended trot was... what trot?


                              • Original Poster

                                What I can't stand is the head bobbing in the piaffe and parts of the passage as though he were trying to lift himself with his front end.

                                The magic is over: I'm not too fond of the Vissers right now.


                                • #17
                                  Somebody please tell me how that scored 85.55%. I don't do GP dressage. Heck, I am a trail rider. But even I noticed that the horses two tempi's were off. He went two, two, two, two, one, three, two. And his piaffe at the beginning was...stuttery or something.

                                  I would assume an 85% ride would not have the glaring errors like that. Not to mention, the rider was about a subtle as a speeding freight train. A couple of times, I looked at it and went, "look, he's kicking like a pony club kid on an old pony".

                                  Guess it's the name that got the score, cause it sure wasn't the ride.


                                  • #18
                                    The whole thing is sad. I am sad. Poor Totilas trying his heart out, but the pilot isnt there for him


                                    • #19
                                      Give them a frigging break! Like any if you could ride this horse


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Discobold View Post
                                        Give them a frigging break! Like any if you could ride this horse
                                        Perhaps not, but many are qualified - e.g. skilled enough and experienced enough - to critique it. Discobold I'm not sure how much experience you have with dressage, but there are certain key principles that are considered all-important and apply to every horse and rider. That's what most posters here are referring to. Some of these principles were lacking to a much greater extent in this particular ride than in any of Toto's other performances I've seen.

                                        I DO feel bad for Rath as it happens and I hope the pair gets it together eventually... what incredible pressure he must be under, but if he can't work through it then the result might be an unfairly tarnished reputation. Regardless of that though, there were better competitors today - and I'm usually among the first to defend judging. I'd really like to see score sheets.
                                        Proud COTH lurker since 2001.