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    Is it legal for a trainer to warm up a client's horse at a USDF recognized show?

    How about if the horse is entered in a qualifying class for championships?

    I know at a regional championship no one but you is allowed on your horse for the duration of the show, just curious about the rest of the shows.

  • #2
    Was the trainer entered as a rider in any classes?
    Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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      #3
      Originally posted by CHT View Post
      Was the trainer entered as a rider in any classes?
      Nope.

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      • #4
        It is legal for anyone to warm up anyone else's horse at a USDF show UNLESS

        1. they are competing in championships (USDF regional or GMO regional)

        2. if the individual show does not allow it.

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          #5
          Originally posted by mjhco View Post
          It is legal for anyone to warm up anyone else's horse at a USDF show UNLESS

          1. they are competing in championships (USDF regional or GMO regional)

          2. if the individual show does not allow it.
          Thank you. Is it common for shows to disallow it?

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          • #6
            Interesting. That is different than in Canada; at a Silver or Gold show, only the competitor(s) my ride/school the horse. A groom may only ride on a loose rein. I think the exception would be a para-equestrian depending on their grade.

            Suprised to read that the rules are different between countries; I thought we just copied the US rules!
            Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by duecavalle View Post
              Thank you. Is it common for shows to disallow it?
              In the US not common to disallow it at the regular USDF shows.

              Championships, ALWAYS disallowed for those horses entered in championship classes.

              In fact, the USDF Regional rules are such that those horses competing in the Regional Championship classes must be on the show grounds 24 hours prior to competing.

              Evidently some were schooling horses in facilities minutes from the show grounds, hauling over right before competition then competing.

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                #8
                Originally posted by mjhco View Post
                In the US not common to disallow it at the regular USDF shows.

                Championships, ALWAYS disallowed for those horses entered in championship classes.

                In fact, the USDF Regional rules are such that those horses competing in the Regional Championship classes must be on the show grounds 24 hours prior to competing.

                Evidently some were schooling horses in facilities minutes from the show grounds, hauling over right before competition then competing.
                Thank you. Yes, I understand the rules for Championships.

                I am questioning the "regular" recognized shows throughout the season with qualifying classes FOR championships.

                I warm up my own horse so its never been a concern. I am asking for a friend who's showing recognized for the first time this year with a new horse.

                If anyone can point me to this in the rule book I'd be grateful.

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                • #9
                  Go to USEF.org

                  Enjoy

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by duecavalle View Post
                    If anyone can point me to this in the rule book I'd be grateful.
                    DR121 14 (High performance)
                    DR127.6 (championships)
                    Janet

                    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mjhco View Post

                      In fact, the USDF Regional rules are such that those horses competing in the Regional Championship classes must be on the show grounds 24 hours prior to competing.
                      I hope this isn't true, because I drove 2 hours to my Regionals last year for First Level, showed and drove home. I cannot find anywhere in the rules that the horses must be on the grounds 24 hours prior to competing.
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                      • #12
                        All horses competing in Regional Championships classes must remain on the competition grounds from the time of entry to the grounds and for the duration of their Regional Championships classes. If required to remain overnight, horses must be stabled on the competition grounds.

                        This is what I found in the rulebook. What exactly does it mean?
                        Mirror Image 2001-2007

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                        • #13
                          All horses competing in Regional Championships classes must remain on the competition grounds from the time of entry to the grounds and for the duration of their Regional Championships classes. If required to remain overnight, horses must be stabled on the competition grounds.
                          This is all I could find. I wonder if each region can add more rules about stabling?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Janet View Post
                            DR121 14 (High performance)
                            DR127.6 (championships)
                            Janet, thank you for the locations in the rule book. Unfortunately the answer to my question is still not clear to me.

                            DR127.6 is crystal clear. It is completely understood that once at a Regional Championship, no one but the rider is allowed to ride or work the horse. This was not my question.

                            My question pertains to the "GAIG/USDF/Qualify" class one must ride in to qualify for a Regional Championship. Is it legal for anyone other than the rider to warm up the horse prior to these classes?

                            DR121 14 states:

                            14. The following rules apply exclusively to USEF High Performance qualifying and selection
                            trials, and observation classes.

                            a. Upon arrival on the showground, only the rider when riding, walking, leading or lungeing
                            a horse (lunge whip allowed) is allowed to carry a whip (maximum 120 cm) anywhere
                            on the showground. The groom may also walk, lead and lunge a horse as above. Other
                            parties are allowed to carry a whip, provided it is not in connection with the training of the
                            horse. Under no circumstance is it allowed to school the horses in the stables.
                            b. The whip must be dropped before entering the space around the competition arena
                            or the rider will be penalized for an error (see DR122.5h).
                            c. The following bits are permitted for use either as a snaffle or bridoon: (Snaffle or
                            bridoon with rotating middle piece)
                            Snaffle or bridoon rotary bit with rotating middle piece.
                            d. Curb chain hooks must not be fixed.


                            Can someone tell me if class #28 on this prize list considered a "USEF High Performance qualifying and selection trials, and observation classe(s)" ?

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                            • #15
                              No. First Level is not "high performance". High Performance is things like World Cup qualifiers, Pan Am Selection trials, stuff like that.

                              It is perfectly legal for a trainer to warm up a client's horse for a regional championships qualifying class, of any level.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by duecavalle View Post
                                Unfortunately the answer to my question is still not clear to me.

                                My question pertains to the "GAIG/USDF/Qualify" class one must ride in to qualify for a Regional Championship. Is it legal for anyone other than the rider to warm up the horse prior to these classes?

                                Can someone tell me if class #28 on this prize list considered a "USEF High Performance qualifying and selection trials, and observation classe(s)" ?
                                I believe that "USEF High Performance qualifying and selection trials" means qualifying for national championships at Gladstone, Pan Am, ect.

                                When you have a question about permission to do something that is only answered by the lack of a rule against it, your best bet would be to email the USEF, get a written reply that states you can do XYZ, and bring a print out of that to the show in case you are questioned there.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by yaya View Post
                                  No. First Level is not "high performance". High Performance is things like World Cup qualifiers, Pan Am Selection trials, stuff like that.

                                  It is perfectly legal for a trainer to warm up a client's horse for a regional championships qualifying class, of any level.
                                  Just so it doesn't get lost in the thread, this is the correct answer.
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post
                                    Just so it doesn't get lost in the thread, this is the correct answer.
                                    Thanks!

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by yaya View Post
                                      No. First Level is not "high performance". High Performance is things like World Cup qualifiers, Pan Am Selection trials, stuff like that.
                                      Thanks. I didn't think so, but the rule Janet pointed to made me think twice.

                                      Originally posted by yaya View Post
                                      It is perfectly legal for a trainer to warm up a client's horse for a regional championships qualifying class, of any level.
                                      super. thanks!

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                                      • #20
                                        High perfromance is defined in Dr 119.6
                                        6. Definitions of USEF High Performance Program and USEF Developing Dressage Program:
                                        a. USEF HIGH PERFORMANCE DRESSAGE PROGRAM: The purpose of this classification
                                        is to develop and implement the USOC Strategic High Performance Plan (HPP)
                                        with the goal of selecting athletes and/or teams and maximizing the performance of these
                                        athletes and/or teams at Olympic, Pan American and World Championship competition
                                        and other designated international events. The USEF High Performance (HP) Dressage
                                        Program includes the USEF National High Performance Dressage Championships at the
                                        Intermediaire I and Grand Prix Levels, as well as qualifying and selection trials, and observation
                                        classes for those events.
                                        b. USEF DEVELOPING DRESSAGE PROGRAM: The purpose of this classification is
                                        to identify and recognize developing athlete and equine talent for the discipline of dressage.
                                        The USEF Developing Dressage Program includes the USEF National Junior Dressage
                                        Championship, USEF National Young Rider Dressage Championship, USEF
                                        National Young Adult Dressage Championship, USEF National Developing Horse Dressage
                                        Championship, and USEF Young Horse Dressage Program. These Championships
                                        and classes designated as qualifying for these Championships are not considered High
                                        Performance and therefore are not subject to rules applicable to High Performance
                                        classes
                                        unless otherwise specifically stated in the qualifying or selection procedures for
                                        these Championships.
                                        Janet

                                        chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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