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  • Current Market/Value of Dressage Prospect

    Not saying if I'm looking or selling or neither -- just asking for your thoughts for a 4 y.o., well started u/s, working at training level plus lateral work. Correct, scopey mover, kind/easy to ride and train. Trail rides alone, nice ground manners, out in company, never needs lunging to ride, has done some clinics and off the farm schooling w/o issues. Sire is well known and approved by several respected registries, gelding is registered with one. Dam a high scoring Thoroughbred, producer of all Premium foals, excellent sport lines. Gelding is large framed, 16.2 - still growing and maturing, handsome and proportionate. Very good foundation, positive attitude, responsive to the aids. No physical or other issues. What would you think is appropriate price in the current market for an individual such as this? TIA
    PennyG

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    Anything from 15K for a good guy type to 100K+ for one that can finish in the top 3 in the USEF Markel 4 year old finals. One could probably find a lot like him in the 25K range. But it depends on how fancy and rideable he is in large part, and how he is marketed. I would favor sending a top horse to a place like Hilltop or the Hasslers to be sold.
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    • #3
      Hard to say without scores - I have seen horses who fit that description ranging from $2k into the tens of thousands. So if this is a horse with great movement and an indication toward ability to collect as well, all signs pointing toward future dressage career, it could be in the $20-$30k range, assuming good mover but not a world beater. If movement looks like a potential world beater on top of that personality, hugely higher price. Sounds like a description of a great prospect for an ambitious amateur to train up the levels while still taking into account real life and that sometimes work every day can't happen for those who earn a living outside the barn.

      The training sounds appropriate for the age, so there's no "behind the ball" issues to lower price, and it really comes down to movement as well as experience away from home.

      I would even think if this horse is only an adequate mover, given AA-friendly nature, appropriate training, etc., at least $5k. My guess from the description is more like in the 20's, just trying to guess from lack of specifics as you try to fit within board guidelines.
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      • #4
        Here in CA I see horses that age showing with training level scores in the 70% range priced from 20-35k and not selling, or taking a year or more to sell. Price them in the 15-20k range and they typically sell.

        So, it depends on how much money you want to spend to make more money.
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        • #5
          I agree with a wide range of prices- depending on movement and rideability. Probably $80,000 and up for a horse like Cabana Boy at age 4, with wins in the young horse division.

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            #6
            Could be shown, but maybe a bit looky for top scores yet. Very ammie friendly. Gaits are more than adequate -- lots of schwung in walk/overstep. rhythmic, elastic trot, very good, big/balanced canter. Certainly should go up the levels with his mind and temperment, how far is subjective to so many variables. Thanks -- that's the information I was seeking and about what I thought.
            PennyG

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            • #7
              Penny - could he do hunters?

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                #8
                Chris, he probably could. Has not been schooled for that, although a jumper rider liked alot about him. Does not have extreme knee action that would turn off the hunter riders.
                PennyG

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                • #9
                  health

                  Can we assume good x-rays? Good health?

                  For the horse in question, do people who see him go say "wow what a cute horse!" or do they say "wow what awesome gaits!" with references to drooling?

                  Personally I flinch a little when people tell me my horse is cute. It's well-intentioned but we all want our own Totilas :-).
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                    #10
                    No x-rays - no reason and no health issues ever. Gaits show scope and power and self carriage, certainly would never be remotely comparable to Totilas. Cute would not come to mind, more of handsome or nice looking/very attractive. Just wanted to establish what would be considered fair market value based on information provided. TIA
                    PennyG

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                    • #11
                      I would probably pay around $6k provided he was also currently in work, sounds like a nice horse.

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                      • #12
                        Is he located in Alabama?
                        Are you hoping to get people to travel to take a look?

                        If your regional market is depressed, would you consider sending him to an area less affected by the recession?
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                        • #13
                          $25k, going up if he's super fancy.

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                          • #14
                            I'd say anywhere from $15k to $25k depending on how fancy he is. I paid $12k for my 4yo going under saddle who fits that same description, but I felt like I got a heck of a deal, and he was not as solid under saddle as your horse.

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                              #15
                              Thanks for the responses. Oakstable -- I was simply asking in general as a comparative index, not relative to an area or a sales effort. Just wanted some responses from others who are knowledgable and breed, buy or sell. Thanks!
                              PennyG

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                              • #16
                                Agreed - you should go on dreamhorse or agdirect and see what is in your area.
                                Both have pretty good search functions.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by WBLover View Post
                                  I'd say anywhere from $15k to $25k depending on how fancy he is. I paid $12k for my 4yo going under saddle who fits that same description, but I felt like I got a heck of a deal, and he was not as solid under saddle as your horse.
                                  Yeah - I rather buy greener and pay less since I can put the proper mileage on a horse - so decent movement (not a lot of knee) means less money, but more mileage like your has means more money (but NOT show mileage is a deduction) and if horse is located in Alabama less money since probably less horses in the region.

                                  Also 1/2 Tb (no matter how nice) also typically means less money, even if horse is registered in a European Registry.
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                                    #18
                                    Thanks. I have looked at a good many websites for comparable horses just to stay abreast of the current market. Actually, there is quite a bit of dressage going on in Alabama. We have a very active local association, a number of trainers and riders who clinic and show to the upper levels. I just wanted to get the opinions of those on this board as well. At this point and with a gelding going well under saddle, he would stand on his own merit and how well he matches up with a rider and their interests rather than being judged on being o/o a Thoroughbred mare. As a breeder, I have seen quality and less than average in TB and WB mares and would be quite discriminating regarding the mare. This particular gelding has done several clinics and a schooling show just for the experience.
                                    PennyG

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                                    • #19
                                      People do downgrade a prospect if a TB is the mom. Sad but true.

                                      But once they see the horse, they often think differently.
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