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  • Would you consider this horse?

    I am horse shopping on limited budget and looking for solid 2nd level horse that is fairly good at schooling all the 3rd level work, with hopes for eventually getting my USDF bronze medal and working on 4th level. I found nice quality horse this weekend, but he has had some not soo correct training in his background. In particular he was taught rushed hunter style on the forehand flying changes and after each change he bares down on the forehand quite a bit and rushes off. He also likes to throw in a regular little buck with most of his left to right changes. He seems to kind of hop up with his behind at the start of every change like he's going to do a little buck but its only left to right that the actual little buck happened. But he is very quiet/safe about everything and quite easy in the lateral work, and has fairly comfy gaits; although perhaps a little lazy. Although he has been allowed to go around on the forehand quite a lot so he's not really as responsive as I'd like with half halts and shifting to use his hind end. I am just trying to decide if the issues in the changes are too hard to try to fix. I am fairly solid 1st/2nd AA (schooling 3rd) who will be in training situation where trainer rides horse once or twice a week and then I get lesson once or twice a week (overall 3 days a week with the trainer involved). I am a little torn about pursuing the horse; My budget is slowly increasing the longer my search goes on and I am wondering if I should pass on this one for now as my budget goes up I will get to look at better and better prospects. I've only be shopping 2 months. Opinions?

  • #2
    If you have a good trainer you can resolve these issues. My old second level horse has these issues - and at the ripe old age of 20 I started riding her again (after show mare was injured). She now starts "up" and not on her forehand, I know how to fix the issue, she's quit the buck during the flying change (I believe it's cause she's more balanced and off her forehand so change is easier). My trainer can't believe it's the same horse, as she's had beginners/low level ammies riding her for the past 8 years.

    Question is does your trainer know how to fix the issues? If so then in 6-8 months of correct riding you can reolve most of the issues IMO - so if he rest is good I'd purchase the horse.
    Now in Kentucky


    • #3
      What are his changes like when he is at liberty? If he struggles with his changes when he is free, that is probably the horse you've got. If his changes are better, then you have something to work with.


      • #4
        His issues sound like they could be soundness related too. It that is part of the issue, then making him more comfortable behind would make him less rushy.

        How was his counter canter? How even was his lateral work?

        Regardless, I think it would depend on if the things that need correcting are things your trainer feels they can correct. Some trainers have more skill at fixing certain things than other things.

        Based on your typing, I am thinking your gut is telling you to pass though...so if that is the case, then pass! Having a good feeling about the purchase can count for a lot in the long run.
        Freeing worms from cans everywhere!


        • Original Poster

          Yes, I must admit my gut is telling me to pass. I just don't won't to rush and buy something because he's sweet, that a trainer then has to spend a lot of time fixing for me. But its hard to pass up a nice horse too. :O)

          Counter Canter: I only did it on Shallow loop as he tries to throw in changes every where and it took me a while to get him not to change on the shallow loop, but he did more counter canter with his trainer during the warmup. All the canter work; circles, counter, half pass, etc. is kind of strung out looking and feeling; its hard to put him together even for the FEI trainer showing him to me. He's a big guy 17 hds and stocky.


          • #6
            I think I would pass, unless you have lots of $$ to have your trainer revise his being on the forehand- it will take a fair bit of time.


            • #7
              Well, I was in favor of this horse until I read your last post that he's 17 hands, stocky and strung out looking under an experienced rider. Unless you're over 6 feet tall an have a helluva core, I'd pass just based on that ;0).

              The downhill changes (if he's truly sound) can totally be fixed, but it seems that he is currently with an FEI rider, but that's not his long-term trainer, yes? If he just got into the barn as a sale horse, that's all explainable and he might still be a good prospect, but if your gut says no, the question is already answered.
              "Reite dein Pferd vorwärts und richte es gerade.” Gustav Steinbrecht


              • Original Poster

                Thanks. He has been with good FEI trainer for re-training and sale for about 6-8 months and until the last couple weeks she had to ride him mostly in the double bridle just because she wasn't phyisically strong enough to manage him in the snaffle until recently. She is older FEI rider though. But I think everyone agrees I should go with my gut, which is just not excited about the horse. I think maybe if I am still searching in a few months maybe he could be worth a second visit to see if he progresses more, but I think the timing for where he is at now is not right for me.


                • #9
                  looking for solid 2nd level horse that is fairly good at schooling all the 3rd level work, with hopes for eventually getting my USDF bronze medal and working on 4th level.
                  He has been with good FEI trainer for re-training and sale for about 6-8 months
                  & yet, this is where he's at:

                  - after each change he bares down on the forehand quite a bit and rushes off
                  - likes to throw in a regular little buck
                  - seems to kind of hop up with his behind at the start of every change
                  - on the forehand quite a lot
                  - perhaps a little lazy
                  - he's not really as responsive as I'd like
                  - he tries to throw in changes every where
                  - all the canter work; circles, counter, half pass, etc. is kind of strung out looking
                  - its hard to put him together even for the FEI trainer

                  His issues sound like they could be soundness related
                  shopping on limited budget

                  How many years do you want to spend "fixing" - it's quicker (& a whole lot more fun) to get something greener & teach correctly


                  • #10
                    He sounds like a classic case of a horse who is locked in the pelvis and could be fixed by a chiropractor. Ond of my horses became hard to collect, seemed to start getting a bit lazy behind, and started diving into his changes like that. After the chiropractor worked on him once he is a new horse! The change in him was very gradual. I had the same thing happen suddenly with another horse who apparently had a fall in the pasture. She became unable to collect and felt like she had a flat tire the day after the suspected fall. Three days later she seemed sound, but still couldn't collect and was all strung out. This is a mare who is very talented at collection normally. The chiropractor fixed her too.


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Char0308 View Post
                      ...All the canter work; circles, counter, half pass, etc. is kind of strung out looking and feeling; its hard to put him together even for the FEI trainer showing him to me. He's a big guy 17 hds and stocky.
                      Given that additional info I would pass on this horse also.
                      Now in Kentucky


                      • #12
                        Whatever horse you choose, you should have your trainer try the horse, too.